The president was presented with US intel about NK missiles, and how they could reach the United States. He said he didn’t believe it - Vlad told him otherwise.
His DNI tried to explain.
“I don't care, he said. “I believe Putin.”
He has tweeted like a madman in the last 24 hours, by neither he nor Sarah the Hutt has denied this.
I’m sure this is a-o-k with many of you. It shouldn’t be.
He is a walking risk to national security.
It was about a group of generals who were paranoid that our President was sympathetic to the Russians. Hmmmm...
When obama was prez and hil was SOS you warbled that everything was fine because of Globaloney Zero.
Now that DT is prez Korean nukes are a national security issue.
Double talk all you want.
Everybody on this board knows you Pooh-poohed the NK nuke threat when obama was president.
I guess I see what you are taking about. Maybe.
NK posed almost no threat to the United States then, and it poses almost none now. Trump ginned up a crisis and now claims to have solved it (although everything is exactly the same as before).
Deterrence works.
“a walking risk to national security” re NK?
No big deal.
Just a tad hyperbolic as Mac would say.
have eviscerated Obama for agreeing to, a nuclear armed NK with limits.
For some, anxiety is internal and they always seek an external reason for feeling afraid. I disagreed with our last President on many issues but I never worried that he might be an existential threat to the country. I have seen the pendulum swing back and forth so many times that I knew it would do so again at the end of his term. I'm also certain that the same will prove true when Trump is gone. Chilax.
But there is always some risk with a nut like this that didn’t exist before him.
Russia - remember Obama ridiculing Mitt about Russia being the most important problem during the campaign. Oh the media and elites had such fun. Remember Hillary’s reset button. How did they leave the US and Russia. Russia involved in our elections and somehow blamed Trump. Crimea taken and Ukraine invaded Obama did nothing. Failed.
Iraq - Remember announcing the troop withdrawal and other chaos broke out and ISIS took half of the country and killed thousands and enslaved young girls. Failed.
Egypt - remember throwing Mubarak out and having Muslim Brotherhood take over to be overthrown by the military. Failed.
Libya- remember the Arab Spring. Bomb and kill Khadafi and democracy would break out. Instead got our American Ambassador killed and others and the country is in disarray. Failed.
Korea - money and aide did nothing to stop missle and nuclear development. Failed.
China - built new islands in South China Sea to claim territory. Obama and Hillary did nothing. Failed.
Syria - ISIS came in from Iraq killed thousands Assad responded with chemical weapons, Line in the sand. Obama did nothing. Failed.
And you are afraid of Trump you are either stupid, blind or both. Doesn’t matter. Trump couldn’t do worse than the Messiah with the Peace Prize that left office with the world on fire.
There was plenty of the former with Obama which I pointed out at the time.
Recklessness though is not knowing why we have troops in S Korea, unilaterally pulling forces out of Syria without consulting our allies who were put at risk by it and who did the heavy lifting against ISIS, stating in public that you believe Putin over our IC, making those same types of comments at Nat Security meetings, and alienating our oldest and strongest allies in Europe who we are going to need in the future because you don’t understand the reason for NATO.
You also criticize Obama for Russia, China, and Korea. Yet you apparently feel that the reset button is worse than Orange’s open embrace of Putin after seeing what happened to the reset button, his allowance of NKorea to secretly continue to develop its nuclear program and the trade war with China that will accomplish zilch in terms of any real results. Point me to all of the success that having his reckless ass in the WH has provided to us.
It's just about whatever Hannity feeds them. And it's not about intellectual curiosity anymore because intellectual curiosity is for the elites, who we envy and hate.
Screw them and all their thinky stuff!
Orange has also built parts of his wall according to him, except he hadn’t spent a nickel of what has been authorized in the last two years or built a single mile of it. You believe him there as well?
any attempts to lock Obama into the wake of Trumps insanity tells us you are not being honest.
Yes, many of us laughed when Romney noted Russia being our biggest foe - he could have been right at the time or he could have meant it in another fashion as in the Oligarchs destabilizing a third world country who have nukes. Hard to know exactly what he meant seeing he didn't go all out to explain. He used the words "Geopolitical foe" but he did say NK and Iran were our biggest armed threat.
You can’t. Can you? Has Russia expanded into the Ukraine? No. Is ISIS nearly obliterated, yes! Did Trump fired rockets up Assad’s ass when he used Chlorine bombs something your hero didn’t have the balls to do. Yes. Is Trump backing China down? Is Korea launching anymore missles over Japan?
Respond to this if you can or do you usual. You can’t argue so you say I changed the subject. Your just a pussy.
Russia continues to destabalize Ukraine and de facto continues to rule all of eastern Ukraine.
N Korea will de facto keep its nukes and missles as Orange isn’t going to war over it. Fat boy proved his points with missiles over Japan something he did while thumbing his nose right at Orange. How is he backing China down? They still have their S China sea presence and there is no sign of real concessions in the trade war. Orange will take some face saving scraps like he will with fat boy. Syria is a joke. Assad and Russia have won, and Orange unilaterally pulled out with his tail between his legs just like Barry did in Iraq.
Stop with the BS.
You are trying too hard to defend Obama. Trump has been President for two years. Obama took 8 years to fuck the world up. So if Trump bombed the islands that China built with Obama’s approval and bombed NK that Obama let be built, what would you say. Your arguments are nonsense. So Obama let the problem happen but Trump hasn’t fixed it yet so it’s Trump’s fault. That is unless we are talking about the economy than it’s all Obama’s doing. You Are laughable
Stop being a partisan fool. The top general there doesn’t think they have been beaten yet. You just have another hanging Chad fool declaring victory when it hasn’t happened yet.
I never defended the Barry FP. Criticized it all the time. Your reckless leader though is making a bad situation worse. That’s the point.
The order right? You can’t give him credit for anything. Which shows me you have derangement syndrome which makes you unintelligent. I will admit that W was an idiot and he and Cheney did the world and this country serious damage. You cannot find one single policy that Trump has done that meets your approval So we can’t discuss anything logically.
It’s not about giving or not giving credit although I note that you have also given Barry zero.
On ISIS, I never said I disagreed with his continuation of Barry’s policy of using surrogates to fight them in Iraq and Syria. I disagree with him trying to take credit when it’s not yet due as did W.
The entire exchange is due is your what about reply to the obvious fact that Orange is uninformed and reckless. It has zero to do with Obama, yet you try to bring him in, cause you have got nothing else. I’m just simply pointing out where you are full of shit.
So there. The community organizer the least experienced person ever to become President got the Nobel Peace Prize because he got elected and was half black. And by the way fucked 80% of the country over, including most small business, with his deceitful Obamacare. There I said something nice. But also I do believe he is a good husband and father. Not like Trump.
And you need to start working on yer second apology for supporting a numblenuts.
his wake. This of course goes back to his days as a D and lib scum.
What does amaze me is how someone like that could be embraced by the GOP.
I balee football forum was a better fit for your brain power.
Which is worse? Name me a country besides obviously China and Russia who did better under Obama’s foreign policies. So while I know Trump is reckless he has our adversaries back on their heels. I see that as an advantage.
And you should know I am mostly wrong about football. But you could at least acknowledge the cluster fuck that was Obama’s foreign policy. Try it, cleanse the soul.
And for my role in making that happen I deeply sorry.
You are going to need a better and bigger apology the second time around.
Trump’s incompetence, venality and stupidity saved the republic.
I really worry that our next autocrat will not be as stupid.
The truth is that they really have no idea what they are doing or why... nor do they care... so long as they get elected.
who didn’t go off half cocked and who tried to educate themselves on the subjects of concern. Unlike this, self centered, lazy, bombastic clown.
Our leftists and rightists have always supported foreign dictators who appeal to their base of voters.
think it’s in the best interest of the nation.
Your view of our nation is very sad.
Google “office of special plans” and get back to us, mmmkay?
Rather the FSB, a pretty competent IA.
Everyone - everyone - thought saddam had cbw.
Cheney and Bush thought it was worth fighting over. They were wrong.
Most importantly: This has squat to do with 2018.
Besides 9/11 and the Taliban and ISIS, why are democrats so eager now to protect the CIA and FBI and the military when for decades they criticized all for useless wars, bad intelligence and harassing liberal organizations. Could it be they all hate Trump now just like you?
I trust them more than Vlad, Banning, Stephen Miller, or the Orange “gut’.
If he said that it’s a remarkably disturbing comment and I can’t think of one other president who would have said or believed it.
Why hasn’t his house been stormed at 6am by FBI agents and arrested. Equal justice sure? No he writes a book and gets on 60 minutes. Does this bother you at all?
It is interesting that Orange hasn’t denied saying it. We also know that he’s already said he believes Putin over our IC on Russian election interference. Doesn’t that bother you?
The man is an incompetent menance. Yeah, he likely has enough cleaners with shovels walking behind his elephant ass to keep his shit from turning into a disaster. But there is a risk that one of these times, clean up under tent 6 isn’t going to work.
And yet a known liar is free to go on TV and make statements which you believe. Not changing the subject just challenging your belief that everything said about Trump or stated by the IC is true.
El Jeffe has made. I also never said everything the IC says is true. Rather, that they are right more than wrong, and more reliable than Vlad or Orange’s gut feelings. Can you think of any other prez who would believe a Russian dictator over his own IA’s in public, after that dictator just interfered in our election?
Because you feel that Trump is crazy.
I personally will wait for verification of details on all things uttered by McCabe who has already been caught lying. I will say that the iC had badly compromised its credibility, and was clearly coordinating with the MSM to bring down the POTUS. It is rather ridiculous to toss out such an aecdote in a vacuum when the real atmosphere in which it (or may not) have occurred made it difficult to trust anyone.
The IC was involved in multiple times and recurrent damaging leaks about the president.for political motives, and it resulted in an atmosphere of distrust with the POTUS.
This is why I believe anyone involved including prior administration people who hatched the Deep State resistance should be thrown in jail for treason.
And remember, you were claiming up and down that these were “professionals”, and you scoffed when I (and others) claimed that a Deep State existed.
Cooked up to distract the stupids from the real story here.
Don’t be one of the stupids.
Even when you take it out of the context of their other actions, you sound silly. But when you do put in context, you sound willfully so.
You also laughed at me when I mentioned the Deep State. McCabe has confirmed that now.
Btw, how professional was it of Rosenstein to lie about suggesting that he wear a wire? Remember when the story broke, and he went to the WH to specifically downplay the even as a nonserious joke?
Tell me which professional is lying here....McCabe or Rosenstein.
The FBI has no ability to invoke the 25th Amendment. Their members talked about it. That’s all.
Your premise is that the senior members of or IC just hated him. Or loved Hillary. ALL OF THEM, including lifelong Republicans and previously apolitical people.
Mine is that these are lifelong law enforcement and intel professionals. Patriots. Who worried about their country.
History will not have any problem determining who was right.
Your line about this only being a discussion of invoking the 25th amendment....
Wearing an illegal wire tap on the POTUS is “just a discussion” and not treason?
Starting an investigation on the POTUS when GC had said we were not there yet? That is just SOP?
Repetitively leaking to the media to undermine the president and build distrust and paranoia?
You comment that my assertion requires that ALL IC people be involved is fallacious and untrue. Just a handful -and they clearly were - Comey, McCabe, Clapper, Rosenstein, Strzok, Ohr.......youactually make my point about the Deep State. These guys were lifers in DC who forgot that they are not elected. They felt threatened, and as Schumer said, “they know how to make someone’s life miserable”. They are also all or mostly democrats - absolutely- and they were ALL threatened. Comey - admitted Dem, McCabe - Dem (remember the illegal money his wife took in the election from Terry McCauliffe?), Ohr - Dem, Clapper -Dem, Strzok/Page - Dems, Rosenstein - never revealed, but let’s take a bet.
You also conveniently forget the recent revelations of misconduct in the HRC investigation by these same people. I hope you now understand why we have so little faith in Mueller’s team which by the way IS ALL documented Democrats.
“Patriots” - Benedict Arnold would have been hailed a patriot had Britain defeated the Colonists.
I hope you don’t falsely spread good words about treasonous traitors.
History - there you go thinking that you can see the future nobody else can. Remember when you said that there was no Deep State?
There is really no point in talking to you. Like Hannity, you just keep repeating the same nonsense, no matter how many times and in how many ways the facts are explained.
Not a coup.
No wire was worn. I promise you that if he wore one, it would have been OK’d first, and legal.
These guys fully understood the gravity of what they were doing. And what they were facing.
talk of the wire in and of itself is treasonous. Still, you have yet to explain why Rosenstein lied about the wire story to Trump a few months ago when he was trying to save his job. Or is McCabe lying? Either way, a very big scandal by the unprofessional IC.
politics.
isn't anywhere on your list of "amazing lines". Especially the fact that days after it was deemed by the General Counsel that they weren't there yet, he appointed Mueller.
WH.
This was no small thing for Justice to have that as a serious discussion.
What's more, he's the first to publicly say they had in fact put the 25th amendment on the table as a possibility.
Discussing a constitutional process - and determining that it was very unlikely - is hardly a “coup.” If they had discussed maybe how to pressure cabinet members to do it or something, then maybe you’d have a point. But they didn’t. Not close.
Try as you might, history will record that the career professionals in the FBI were so terrified about Trump’s incompetence and his disloyalty to the country that they discussed if there was anything that could save us all.
It must have been bad.
Chris said this couldn’t happen with such professionals, but it turns out that all of the Deep State claims that we made were correct. This is a massive shift that he is making to take up a different position of outrage.
