Tank Man
We will never forget.
Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
Invincibility with no vulnerability
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Level 1
I believe you saw full footage of this tank man. It shows great restraint from Chinese military.
If this had happened in U.S., you know this man would have been killed by military or national guard or riot police. 1989 Tiananmen Square protest has been the most misunderstood event by western on China for 30 years. This is why Western don't understand why most Chinese don't like to talk about it and tend to forget about it today. Chinese are not stupid, they know themselves better than foreigners.
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Level 2
Tank Man, from accounts of those there, was later distracted & pulled out of the way. He was...
TakethetrainKnute 35787 postsmost likely executed.
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Level 3
Being pulling out of the way is possible. It's pretty common since confrontation with military was
seen everywhere at that time. Executed? I doubt about it unless the tank man is a mob, participating murdering soldiers. I personally knew a guy who is captain of bus fleet of another school. he blocked a 1+ mile long military vehicle with his bus on 5/19 during first attempt to take over Tiananmen Square by military (tank man's blocking was on 2nd military 2nd attempt on 6/3 or 6/4 morning). He was jailed for 6 months for that crime. I made acquaintance with a few students of his school during protest days. They told me on 5/19 noon that they would have buses afternoon to go to Tiananmen Square and invited me to come to take the bus. Our schools are in suburb, close to each other. The public transportation was paralyzed in many places of town and we all were tired of walking long distance to Tiananmen Square. This guy is our bus driver that afternoon. After he dropped us, he drove back to school. On his way back to school military operation to take over Tiananmen square started. He cross parked his bus to block military vehicle and let people enter the bus so that the military vehicle wouldn't run over his bus. One week after 6/4 he was arrested. he was released before Chinese new year. Considering his 6-month jail time for basically same guilty like tank man, blocking military operation, I doubt they executed tank man.
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Level 4
Congratulations. Because of the strict censorship, the truth is not known and likely never will be.
TakethetrainKnute 35787 postsThis allows for speculation like yours to exist...which is the goal of the censorship.
Given the violent response, the massacre of so many of the protesters, and the censorship that has followed in its wake, it is most likely that he was executed shortly after he took his heroic stand.
Why are you an apologist for this horrific act?
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Level 3
We still don't know who he is.
(no message)Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Level 2
If only the U.S. Military was more like the Chinese military?
TakethetrainKnute 35787 posts"most Chinese don't like to talk about it and tend to forget about it today."
What do you think the major reason for that is...pray tell?
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Level 3
Better let video speak out. Keep it in mind, these being stoned soldiers have weapons
they can fire without taking consequence of facing court martial. Instead they were stoned to death inside their vehicle. Yes, as you know, many soldiers did fired and killed people. Some of these people are innocent and some of them are mobs.
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Level 4
So you believe the massacre of 800 to 4000 pro-democracy demonstrators was warranted?
TakethetrainKnute 35787 postsThough I fully expect you accept the Chinese government's figure of 241 casualties...
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Level 5
I believe what I saw/experienced. The most brutal/evil thing of 30 yrs ago is the way killing
some soldiers. It's hard to describe them, but I believe you can imagine how they die. I just remember one soldier's mother immediately faint after seeing the photo of his son, all his intense were dugged out by mobs. (Fuck Chinese local gov official, for propaganda purpose, show the photo to that soldier's mother).
TTTK, what happened in the evening and night of June 3rd of 1989 is not pro-democracy. It's mob violence.Admin: please excuse me for posting these disturbing photos.
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Level 6
I gave you credit for the two Super Bowls...but now I think it's time for you to hang it up, Eli...
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Level 7
OK. it's time for you to stop asking why many Chinese don't mention Tiananmen. They know it better
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Level 8
They have no idea what happened
I taught in China for a few months once. When I got home I got an e-mail from one of the students asking me if I could tell her what happened there. She was embarrassed to have no idea. None of her friends did.
And these were kids of the elite.
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Level 9
That's a good example to beg another question: why their parents don't talk about it to them. Anyone
who was older than 18 in 1989 should know incident very well. Again, I know why.
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Level 10
Eli, it’s not like it was covered on the nightly news
Very few people have any idea what happened in 1989.
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Level 11
Not clear what you referred to? It's covered everyday on nightly news in those days and aftermath
This Tiananmen thing was basically 24x7 in the whole summer 1989 on TV. It also has impact on many people's daily life. For example, if you're in hotel, you likely see police knocking your door to search at mid night. If you work, Saturday afternoon is mandatory time for all employers to organize employee meeting to learn official report about Tiananmen square (before 1993, Chinese worked 6 days a week, but Sat usually is slow/light working day). It lasted at least through 1989.
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Level 10
Yes, we all know why. The barbarity and propaganda forced people to shut their mouths if they know
TakethetrainKnute 35787 postswhat's good for them.
What's your story? Are you here as a shill for the PRC?
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Level 11
You think you know. You don't know how you are boxed in your thinking by your ideology.
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Level 12
I suspect this is actually far more true of you. Anyway, what’s your story that makes you support .
TakethetrainKnute 35787 poststhe outright slaughter of civilians by the PRC military?
You were there at Tiananmen? During Tiananmen? If so, where and in what capacity?
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Level 13
My every post has facts. Yes, I was there from beginning (4/15) to the end. I know it very well
I don't need sound bite, TV/news paper report. But there is no basis to have effective conversation with you if you know little. It makes me feel like a college student talking to a elementary student about physics.
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Level 14
And your sound judgment from being there is that the massacre of the protesters was warranted?
TakethetrainKnute 35787 postsThey deserved their fate?
Again, what capacity were you there in?
From my perspective, it makes me feel like a brain surgeon talking to a cult member about why it might not be a good idea to drink the Kool-Aid..
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Level 15
Of course It's warranted. U.S. would do same if Times Square/national mall were occupied
by thousand people for months and 2 weeks after martial law was issued who refused to leave and fight with enforcing personnel (again many mobs' fight is brutal, Inhumanly). Don't be silly and hypocrite, TTTK. BTW, the people died is about 200+, not your 4,000.
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Level 16
Death toll of 202? As calculated by a mother in China trying to fight the tidal wave of government
TakethetrainKnute 35787 postscensorship and manipulation? You show yourself to be a fool at every turn.
You recall Occupy Wall Street? How many of the protesters were murdered by the government?
You're purely a propagandist and apologist for murderers...and officially a waste of time?
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Level 17
A mother started it but it became org later. The investigation was done all over China for 20 yrs
They travelled and visited those families who lost their family members for confirmation. It's not accurate, but I think it's close to real # of death. It's much better than those baseless estimated numbers which often come without any info on how the number is estimated.
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Level 18
You are either willfully ignorant or consciously evil...
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Level 19
Your personal attack shows your cowardice to handle truth. Your rhetoric made me sick.
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Level 20
Good. I'm glad you're siick... though you should be sick from the slaughter at Tiananmen.
TakethetrainKnute 35787 posts202 deaths at Tiananmen...and I'm afraid of the truth? You're rich...
You're a shill and a supporter of murderers. You deserve far worse than to be as sickened as you make the rest of sentient society.
Adios, loser.
Link: What to know about Tiananmen Square on the 30th anniversary of the crackdown
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Level 16
Yeah, sure we would. Welcome to America, by the way. I assume you just got here.
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Level 8
I was referring to people in general. I already know why the Chinese don't mention Tiananmen Square
TakethetrainKnute 35787 postsThey know the type of society in which they live and they know what happens to those who dare to challenged it.
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Level 8
He demonstrates a wonton disregard for human life.
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Level 2
Wait - are you really praising Chinese restraint here?
Please tell us how Tiananmen was “misunderstood” comrade.
I expect I’ll enjoy this.
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Level 3
Yes. Chinese gov for all its fault, derserves credits for its restraint. Students acted like spoiled
kids. They occupied east side of Great Hall of the People, where traditionally and officially welcome ceremony for foreign president was held, forcing government to move welcome ceremony of Gorbachev to other place. They occupied Monument to the People's Heroes, making it their movement's headquarter, successfully ruining another scheduled event of Gorbachev, wreath laying. Chinese government made too much concessions to these spoiled kids. Stop being arrogant if you want to learn more.
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Level 4
Yeah, their restraint only killed 1500-5000 students
I guess they deserved that for ruining the wreath-laying ceremony. Stupid of them to want democracy. I have so much to learn from you!
Your love of Trump makes perfect sense.
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Level 5
Where did you get this 1500-5000 number? from fake news? Here is the list of the dead
I don't know how is your Chinese, but at least you know the number.
It's not very accurate. But from the note you know it's a result of 20+ years' investigation. The primary investigator of this investigation lost her son in Tiananmen in 1989.
Link: http://www.tiananmenmother.org/index_files/Page480.htm
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Level 6
Death toll estimations vary wildly
But I think we might be able to agree that it would not make too much sense to accept a figure far lower than the official Chinese government number, which obviously errs on the low side.
The section from Wikipedia summarizes the debate pretty well.
No matter what the figure - hundreds or thousands - your position might be the most idiotic thing you have posted on this board. Which is really saying something.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests#Death_toll
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Level 4
Thanks Stalin. You would have obviously handled it much better,
Shit, Orange is prolly a humanitarian to someone like you.
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Level 4
They sealed off the square and machine-gunned thousands of people.
If they hadn’t been so restrained, I guess they might have used a tactical nuke instead?
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Level 1
30 years...and has been forgotten by far too many...
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Level 2
That photo has been expunged in China.
Some ridiculously low number of Chinese undergraduates even know what it is. I forget the exact percentage but it was like low teens.
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