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Was Pizzagate sillier than the Fine People Hoax?

Author: jakers (8235 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:04 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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Tough to say. We actually have video evidence that the latter is fabricated.

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Thread Level: 2

Yep. And he said it. Sorry.

Author: Chris94 (23119 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:00 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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Not sure why you think this is even a question

Author: Chris94 (23119 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:13 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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He said there were “very fine people on both sides” at the rally.

At the rally.

Maybe he meant ON THE ISSUE, but that’s not what he said.


Link: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Thread Level: 4

Not sure why you ignore the rest of the quote.

Author: jakers (8235 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:31 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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You know, the part that directly contradicts the lie that the left has perpetuated.

“You had people in that group who were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of the park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”


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There were no other people at that rally

Author: Chris94 (23119 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:58 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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There were white nationalists and there were Nazis.

Like I said, maybe he meant that there were good people on both sides of the issue. But he was talking about the rally.

You can give him the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe he was misinformed about the rally. Or you can think - like I do - that it was just another example of him just arguing and refusing to admit mistakes.

But that’s what he said.


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You think only white supremacists don't want historical confderate monuments torn down?

Author: NedoftheHill (25228 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:36 pm on Aug 11, 2019
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First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
Thread Level: 7

If you are speaking of that torch rally, it didn’t look like too many ordinary fine people there.

Author: Frank L (37835 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:14 pm on Aug 11, 2019
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The argument is over what he said.

Author: jakers (8235 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:58 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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And he was crystal clear with that.

Thread Level: 7

He was running cover for torch bearers the night prior.

Author: conorlarkin (11105 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:57 am on Aug 11, 2019
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He did not condemn the rally, by saying “We should all condemn groups like Unite the Right. .... The gathering in Charlottesville has no place in America, even under the pretense of defending statutes to those who fought in the civil war. .... a cause that by itself is certainly worthy of debate on both sides.”

He is the President. Words matter.


They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God.
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They obviously didn't matter to you when Osama started the war on cops.

Author: jakers (8235 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:10 am on Aug 11, 2019
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...in your imagination

Author: Chris94 (23119 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:48 am on Aug 11, 2019
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By the way...why are you honoring them by capitalizing "nazis?" So we can only conclude about you..

Author: MarkHarman (3076 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:10 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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See how your side plays the game?

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Because I understand how grammar works?

Author: Chris94 (23119 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:31 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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Chris, anyone with half a brain can see he wasn't praising neo-nazis and white supremacists

Author: MarkHarman (3076 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:07 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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I read the entire thing. He made it extremely clear he was talking about people who weren't part of the neo-nazis or white supremacists. Here's what he said before the "very fine people" remark:

"But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

His "very fine people remark" went: "They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

He then went on to say, "I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly." A reporter, whose IQ must be about room temperature, asked, "Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying." Duh...just duh.

You say there were no other people there besides neo-nazis and white supremacists. That's irrelevant to Trump's remarks, because he clearly thought ordinary people not wanting to see the statues removed were there, and he was clearly talking about them.


Thread Level: 7

Crickets chirping. Chris??

Author: Domer From Hell (10895 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:03 pm on Aug 11, 2019
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We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 7

This is a narrative that they cannot allow you win. They will do anything to make it stick.

Author: NedoftheHill (25228 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:38 pm on Aug 11, 2019
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First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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You're not sure why he avoids doing that and instead links to Politifact with a partial quote?

Author: MAS (12429 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:33 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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We all know that, including him.

Thread Level: 6

I try to give Chris the benefit of the doubt.

Author: jakers (8235 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:38 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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He isn't jimbecile, Frank, or one of the N.P.C.'s.

That said, yes, I know why most run with the incomplete quote. It's absurd.


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Yeah, I don't know why you do that. This happens all the time.

Author: MAS (12429 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:38 pm on Aug 10, 2019
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