The Seth Rich killers finally aced Epstein. Give us the right wing twatter update Cole dear.
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First Bulger put in gen pop. Lasts a few days. Now they give Epstein sheets while on suicide watch
and the camera breaks and no one does shit. Government has lost its legitimacy.
Bulger was in the wrong prison. Too many enemies. Doubt that was planned but believe what you want.
With Epstein, we don’t know yet what happened. With a prior attempt he should have a least been in a strip cell. Maybe he was, don’t know yet.
I’ve had cases where guys have killed themselves on one on one watch.
Hard to stop someone really determined.
This isn't fishy at all.
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WaPo agrees.
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Link: https://twitter.com/CarolLeonnig/status/1160205614783635458?s=19
Did they interview Frank for the article? He knows the truth.
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Uhm no, but I do handle prison suicide litigation and investigations. You?
I will wait for the facts.
You just keep on speculating.
I thought you were saying this was a suicide. Good to hear you are open to the facts.
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The authorities are saying it’s a suicide. There is no reason or facts at this point to suggest
otherwise. I doubt that going to change factually, but if it does I will revise that belief.
Or you can believe or suspect that the Clintons were behind it,
Right. No reason to assume otherwise. No reason at all. Can't think of one.
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There isn’t except your speculations. Autopsy has been done. If foul play hasn’t been ruled out we
would have heard. No evidence of anyone being paid to take him off watch or look the other way.
If and when there is a scintilla of evidence to suggest it was anything other than a massive fuck up let me know.
Of course you think there was no reason to investigate and be suspicious of the Orange campaign’s Russian ties except a deep state conspiracy against him. And so it goes.
Well, I know that the reasons they came up with to investigate Trump were fabricated by sources...
...they accused Trump of colluding with (foreign sources). So, on its face, that whole investigation was political. And, look at their reaction to the fact that the investigation itself failed to generate any such evidence. They push ahead with impeachment.
Let me know when they get some evidence on Trump collusion. I would be interested to evaluate it.
You would have just ignored all that......unless Hillary had had those contacts.
Then you would have been screaming bloody murder. Try to deny and shuffle around that.
You are open to conspiracies unless they involve your side.
If Trump had a foreign source accuse HRC of colluding with foreign sources? Same issues.
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Not unless protocol wasn't followed on the watch level or checks.
Very common in fact,
Update my understanding on this term: suicide watch = watching a person while he committed suicide.
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People on suicide watch commit suicide all the time. Thankfully, as I still have some college to pay
for.
The correct question is what kind on watch was he on? One to one, 10 minutes or 15 minutes? Was he on strip cell status, suicide smock, and or finger foods?
If not on one on one in a strip cell with smock, it is not unusual.
Why would he not have been on the latter option given that he attempted it a couple weeks ago?
And given that this is the highest-profile case in the country? That makes no sense.
There are much more powerful people than Bill Clinton who undoubtedly wanted Epstein dead. I think one of them is in the aforementioned state of Ohio. Not one of those friendly Ohioans.
Normally that is for inmates considered to be actively suicidal meaning they are at imminent risk.
He may have been on that after the attempt and then they stepped him down which is normal. Most don’t stay on that for long periods of time.
No matter what he should still have been in a stripped or suicide cell IMHO.
You don't find that fishy at all for a case of this magnitude? You would know better, but
this seems weird and suspicious, as if they wanted him to do it.
Normally a high profile suicide is that last thing the prison officials want.
It’s first of all a heads can roll kind of thing where jobs can be at stake even for just negligence.
Secondly, I guess I’ve heard too many they “murdered him” or they “wanted him to die” claims.
Thirdly, they know that this is the first thing that will be claimed and it is a huge task disproving beliefs even with facts.
Finally, I work with a fair amount of prison officials and just don’t find that they would willfully allow him to kill himself to cover up evidence.
I was addressing the potential claim that prison officials wanted him to do it as part of some
conspiracy and allowed it to occur.
The hit theory i.e. a staged suicide by other inmates is highly unlikely without telltale signs or others knowing about it or seeing it. It should not survive a real investigation which I think DOJ will do here.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Let’s wait and see.
Responds to MAS.
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There's a logical fallacy in there somewhere.
As such, Chris can't be far away.
Some people construct ludicrous conspiracy theories about a particular case, therefore any conspiracy theory must thus be invalid.
I think at some point, definitive evidence will emerge that Epstein dealt with several very rich men who themselves dealt in what we now call human trafficking. Do we have examples of criminal kingpins and human trafficking bosses arranging for "hits" on convicts and others? Is that a ludicrous proposition?
Are you talking in general or Federal prison? Don't Fed prisons have higher security than state's?
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I am talking in any prison. Suicide protocol is Correctional Health Care 101.
They all follow substantially similar protocols.
The most important thing to know is what level was he on and why was he on it. If that checks out, it happens all the time.
Ok. tell us how many suicides happened just 1 month after being arrested and right before trial?
I understand the longer time the greater a chance to be found to commit suicide. There may be a slip in 365 days or in 1000 days. But in a short time like one month, you have to be more specific, i.e. is it common or not.
Plenty. Upcoming trials can be a triggering factor as can recent incarceration.
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OK. To summarize: suicides of high profile, on suicide watch, only 1 month in fed prison are plenty
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Well no, but not many inmates fit that profile. But take any of those three categories, and they
aren’t unusual.
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