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Timeline re Ukraine military aid:

conorlarkin 23172 posts Original UHND Member

Posted5:51 pm on Sep 25, 2019

Funds pre-approved per Congressional 2019 budget.

2/28/19 -- Trump Administration informs Congress they are releasing funds to Ukraine

5/23/19 -- When asked by Congress why funds have still not been released, Trump Administration gives bureaucratic runaround, ... promises to release funds soon.

7/25/19 -- TC with President Zelinsky. Transcript speaks for itself. Trump: "..... The United States has been good to Ukraine ..."

9/9/19 -- Inspector General sends letter to Representatives Schiff and Nunes, informing them of inbound WB complaint that is of "urgent concern." [Guess who Nunes then told???]

9/11/19 -- Funds to Ukraine released.

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Conor, should trump tell Putie he'll have more flexibility after the election and sell Russia

Cole 16310 posts 9:18 pm on Sep 25, 2019

uranium?

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  WhataboutObama?! As if there is anything wrong with saying that, too.
  
  Chris94 39169 posts 9:10 am on Sep 26, 2019
  
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  Assuming Putin gives Trump permission to speak while Trump is tossing Putin’s salad?
  
  conorlarkin OP23172 posts 9:30 pm on Sep 25, 2019
  
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    Ad hominem.
    
    Cole 16310 posts 9:48 pm on Sep 25, 2019
    
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      In Michael Atkinson’s 16 months on the job, this was the 1st WB complaint that was “urgent.”
      
      conorlarkin OP23172 posts 9:57 pm on Sep 25, 2019
      
      That is, the only one where Mr. Atkinson said “Oh shit!”
      Why Cole?
      Why would Trump block it, if Trump was acting with honorable intentions?
      By the way, if you believe that the July phone call is the whole story, you really are a rube.
      Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Atkinson_(Inspector_General)
      
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        They found that the complainant has a political bias against Trump and he made the complaint
        
        Cole 16310 posts 7:46 am on Sep 26, 2019
        
        without reading the transcript but based on news articles. Senators have now read the complaint and found it to be a big nothing.
        Good luck! Trump has already fundraised off of this to the tune of millions. So, keep going I say! Impeach him!
        
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        Tell us about Trump appointee IG Michael Atkinson's political bias.
        
        conorlarkin OP23172 posts 8:12 am on Sep 26, 2019
        
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        Who cares. Whistleblower letter: "I was not a witness to most of the events described."
        
        Cole 16310 posts 8:45 am on Sep 26, 2019
        
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        Exactly. But he lays out who was. You talk to them under oath. His political views are of no moment.
        
        Frank L 64990 posts 9:06 am on Sep 26, 2019
        
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      Now that’s doggone funny coming from you.
      
      Frank L 64990 posts 9:51 pm on Sep 25, 2019
      
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So, your beef with Trump is that he didn't use the US IC to interfere w/elections like you guys did?

NedoftheHill 47414 posts 6:49 pm on Sep 25, 2019

Granted, the Dems used Ukraine to get Trump's campaign chair, but I can see why you wouldn't want Trump to be able to do the same thing.
You guys get to use Ukraine. You guys get to use the US Intelligence Community. But you want Trump to fight with one hand behind his back. Politics. (I'm granting that he did what you say he did for the sake of argument only.)

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

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  NedoftheHill: When Whataboutism goes wrong
  
  ND_in_DRO 3958 posts 8:40 am on Sep 26, 2019
  
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  Don't understand why you are so willing to dismiss his horrible behavior.
  
  Iggle 13088 posts 9:16 pm on Sep 25, 2019
  
  If there was a transcript of Obama asking Ukraine in 2016 to investigate Trump Tower Kiev bribes you'd have been apoplectic. Admit it.
  Trump is a total scrub. Every character flaw imaginable assembled in a single human unit...no redeeming qualities other than a willingness to nominate conservative judges.
  
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    Last 8 words covers it.
    
    Frank L 64990 posts 9:39 pm on Sep 25, 2019
    
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      You're a Phillie fan who says he's a Republican who voted for Hillary.
      
      Cole 16310 posts 9:53 pm on Sep 25, 2019
      
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        Which certainly places me well above a fan of the Madoff Mess who not only voted for, but worships
        
        Frank L 64990 posts 10:19 pm on Sep 25, 2019
        
        the Orange Stain.
        
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  “use the US IC.” Clearly you understand how these things work.
  
  Chris94 39169 posts 8:10 pm on Sep 25, 2019
  
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  You also should rep Trump at his impeachment trial and run w/ the "everybody does it" defense.
  
  conorlarkin OP23172 posts 6:58 pm on Sep 25, 2019
  
  Always plays well in a courtroom.
  
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    You want the simple test, conor? Isn’t it true that Marine officers eat after their men in the field
    
    Frank L 64990 posts 7:16 pm on Sep 25, 2019
    
    It’s called leadership.
    You think that Orange would eat first or after the grunts?
    You think the Bush’s, McCain and even Barry and Biden do that?
    
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    I'm good with prosecuting everyone who commits a crime. You guys aren't, though.
    
    NedoftheHill 47414 posts 7:09 pm on Sep 25, 2019
    
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    Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
    
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      How do you feel about a US President asking Ukraine to fook w/ a political rival?
      
      conorlarkin OP23172 posts 7:21 pm on Sep 25, 2019
      
      And leveraging military aid as part of the personal favor? To a vulnerable and newly elected Ukraine President whose nation relies upon US support?
      And offering his personal lawyer to assist with manufacturing a case against Biden?
      Please don't disgrace yourself by asserting that Trump was acting honorably because Biden deserves to be investigated in Ukraine.
      
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        A political rival? Hunter is a family member, and I thought you guys were cool with that.
        
        NedoftheHill 47414 posts 8:35 pm on Sep 25, 2019
        
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        Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
        
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        I would be angry at DT if there was no crime to investigate. But that is hardly the situation.
        
        Hank the Tank 9413 posts 8:03 pm on Sep 25, 2019
        
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        Wasn't Trump just asking them to investigate a potential crime? "Rule of Law," you know...
        
        jakers 14742 posts 7:42 pm on Sep 25, 2019
        
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        Of course. Trump is very interested in battling corruption, wherever it exists.
        
        conorlarkin OP23172 posts 8:11 pm on Sep 25, 2019
        
        During the call, Trump spoke highly of ousted prosecutor -- Viktor Shokin.
        I am sure you are well aware that when Shokin first took office in 2015 as Ukraine's Prosecutor General (their version of Attorney General), he was praised by all for his pledge to wage an unflinching battle against corruption. However, as it soon came to light, Viktor was slowplaying investigations against former Yanukovych officials (the ones loyal to Putin), and in some cases, was outright hindering the investigations.
        Pressure grew among the entire Western world for Ukraine to oust Viktor, who at that point had proven to be untrustworthy.
        So no, President Zelensky did not need a heads up from Trump to ferret out bad guys in Ukraine. Trump wanted Zelensky to start an investigation (a commonplace Putin tactic) to give the appearance of impropriety per Biden.
        
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        A rambling non sequitur. Fantastic.
        
        jakers 14742 posts 9:08 pm on Sep 25, 2019
        
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        And why is his personal attorney and fixer involved at all?
        
        Frank L 64990 posts 7:28 pm on Sep 25, 2019
        
        Aren’t there normal channels for DOJ to request assistance if there is an official investigation.
        
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You forgot this one.

Frank L 64990 posts 6:06 pm on Sep 25, 2019

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Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/us/politics/trump-un-biden-ukraine.html

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  Lock him up.
  
  AlbanyIRISH 27033 posts 6:38 pm on Sep 25, 2019
  
  The new cheer for Democrats.
  He can share a cell with Hillary is Republicans want.
  
  Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
  Invincibility with no vulnerability
  
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    That would be an okay deal. Both of them in prison and out of public life. They have been a pox on
    
    Frank L 64990 posts 6:45 pm on Sep 25, 2019
    
    our nation.
    
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  Wow. As you know, timelines in a case can crush the accused.
  
  conorlarkin OP23172 posts 6:25 pm on Sep 25, 2019
  
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    If this story proves up it is a pretty strong circumstantial case. Orange is a mob boss and the
    
    Frank L 64990 posts 7:07 pm on Sep 25, 2019
    
    Govt doesn’t normally have recorded quid pro quo’s on them. The pressure is applied like freezing the aid and then having a nice reasonable conversation telling the victim what you want. Both messages are delivered loud and clear. Leaving aside the criminality or impeachability of the whole thing, I see it as a gut check moment for the nation. Is this what and who we want as the Chief Magistrate? Is our standard so low that only criminal conduct disqualifies someone from that office? Does character matter at all? Past generations have passed those tests. Not sure about this one.
    
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    I'm just glad innocent people are never convicted with evidence like that.
    
    NedoftheHill 47414 posts 6:49 pm on Sep 25, 2019
    
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    Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
    
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