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Those Who Ran the Afghanistan War Lied. They Must Be Held to Account.

Author: Corky (723 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:07 am on Dec 17, 2019
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Those Who Ran the Afghanistan War Lied. They Must Be Held to Account.
Activists often pledge to ‘speak truth to power.’ The sad reality is that power often knows the truth.

They lied. They lied repeatedly, year after year, about America’s longest war—the Afghanistan fiasco now in its 19th year. They—presidents, department heads, generals, civilians and uniformed military up and down the line—misled the American people, reporting “progress” in a misguided war that they knew was not being won. “At war with the truth” is the stark and inescapable conclusion of the Afghanistan Papers, dubbed this generation’s Pentagon Papers, a trove of documents brought to light by the extraordinary efforts of the Post. The reality, as retired Army Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute, the former White House czar for Afghanistan during the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations, admitted, “We didn’t have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking.”

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Thread Level: 2

No cartoon to go with your post this time?

Author: BaronVonZemo (60103 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 2:20 pm on Dec 17, 2019
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The W/Vice neocons must not have heard of the Khyber Pass. All they had to do was ask the Brits...

Author: ND521 (9431 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 12:43 pm on Dec 17, 2019
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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What is your point? (Honest question. Not trying to argue.)

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:47 pm on Dec 17, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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From conception the 'war' was not winnable. In possibly his dumbest move, Obama bought in and made

Author: ND521 (9431 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:02 pm on Dec 17, 2019
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things worse.

God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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The original war against those who knocked down the towers was very winnable and was won.

Author: Frank L (64740 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:12 pm on Dec 17, 2019
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The nation building war with corrupt warlords was lost from the start.

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I don't think we had any choice but to go into Afghanistan. What would you have done instead?

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:19 pm on Dec 17, 2019
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Also, I think we did win the action in Afghanistan. Al qaeda was substantially defeated.

Granted, the Taliban is still a factor. But that goes to my point, that the war will go on for decades.


Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Al Qaeda was largely defeated shortly after the initial invasion. Turning a conflict into an

Author: ND521 (9431 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:31 pm on Dec 17, 2019
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enduring 'war' has had no winners.

God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Yeah. Not a bad point. Whether we occupy or withdraw & rest after a victory is a judgement call.

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:40 pm on Dec 17, 2019
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And, after all, if they are fighting us there instead of here, the occupation is an unmitigated success. I can't sit here and say those soldiers aren't benefiting us right now.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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There was no "Afghanistan War." Anyone who believes that does not understand our enemy.

Author: NedoftheHill (44713 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:47 am on Dec 17, 2019
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There was only a battle in Afghanistan, and we won it. Or, call it a theater conflict. But is the War Against Terror over? Of course not. There is a reason this was called "The Long War" in the Pentagon before the marketers & politicians spoke up. If there was any lying, it was in telling the people that we could win in anything less than 100 years.

While the war continues, we can (1) stay and occupy certain areas, or (2) come home, rest and retrain...without deluding ourselves that we won't have to go back some day. That is a judgement call. We continue to pick and choose our battles. For example, we ceded Libya to the enemy for the time being, and we even gave up on Egypt for a while. Whether those were the right moves...only time will tell.

We cannot win the war by taking territory, or by defeating a standing army, and then declare victory and go home. The only way to defeat this enemy totally is to kill all of them, or convert all of them to a lesser violent religion, or a combination of the two. Until that happens, the war will continue indefinitely.

Granted, I'm not talking to Corky, since he doesn't read replies by anyone here. But, it would be nice to hear what he thinks people need to be held accountable for. The military fought the battle and won. If they are losing the occupation by failing to convert the hearts and minds of the conquored, then that is a political problem that D.C. needs to figure out.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Agree we are fighting an ideology not a war. It’s ideology so staying forever is not sound policy

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:59 am on Dec 17, 2019
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There isn’t a war the Pentagon doesn’t want. That’s why there is serious pushback getting out

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:13 am on Dec 17, 2019
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of Syria and Afghanistan. Except it’s different now the neocons in the Republican Party and liberals in the Democrat party as well as the MSM all support these wars together now. One reason.

TRUMP wants out so it must be attacked as wrongheaded.


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That is simply false, and ignorant.

Author: Chris94 (36779 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:23 am on Dec 17, 2019
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The uniformed military is the most dovish actor in our foreign policy process. They oppose the use of force pretty much every time it is debated.

They also will want to stay until the war is won, once engaged. It is the role of the political leaders to make the call to tend wars when they no longer make sense, because the generals never will.

This is the fault of Bush, Obama and Trump. Mostly Obama, in my view.


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So is that why retired generals appear on TV to criticize Trump from wanting to leave?

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:56 am on Dec 17, 2019
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Yes. Read the post. They want to win above all.

Author: Chris94 (36779 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:04 pm on Dec 17, 2019
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After 18 years there is no winning team in Afghanistan. If they don’t know that they should go

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:32 pm on Dec 17, 2019
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All this because Hillary lost,Lol.... family must be happy around you

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 11:25 am on Dec 17, 2019
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