Biden revoking his support for Charter Schools.....
Will be a big problem in minority communities.
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Teachers unions say 'jump', Dems say 'how high?'
Teachers unions HATE competition.
But they really care about the kids, just trust them.
'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer-
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Level 3
Thanks a lot. Now I have this running through my head.
Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Not turning out enough mainstream African-Americans who are articulate and bright and clean?
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Good. The charter experiments have largely failed.
I live in the epicenter of the charter experiment.
Trust me, if you have the choice between Mongols and charter schools coming to your town, go with the Mongols.
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What is the solution? These urban areas have conflicting agendas.
On one hand, the challenges you mention with Charter Schools. On another hand, leaving all of the kids together in a cluster with disruptive students who create issues related to safety and distracted classroom environments seems to unfairly cost the kids who are willing to do the actual work. Then on yet another hand, you have politicians who claim that these aforementioned "disruptive" students are being unfairly targeted due to racial/social factors and start pressuring (or incentivizing) schools to stop suspending or expelling them. -
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Why? Because the normal public schools are made worse?
(no message)Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.-
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Many on the right miss why some charter schools are successful.
The number one problem within public education is behavioral. Chronically misbehaving, disruptive students hijack the education of the other students. Yes, the success of some charter schools is rooted in higher expectations, but above academic expectations, the successful charter schools begin with higher behavioral expectations. Instead of restorative justice circles and trauma-informed care woo-woo, the ones serving impoverished populations have very regimented routines that students must follow. And they work.
BTW, the education professors who foist this woo-woo on propsective teachers, do not for a second tolerate disruptive nonsense in their own college classrooms nor do they excuse any of it based upon the "trauma" their students may have experienced.
Even some lefties get this, like the author linked below. Obviously, I disagree with some of his analysis, but his prescription is dead-on.
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In addition, public schools have become more about employment than education. Charters can avoid
BaronVonZemo 64186 postsof the upshot from that.
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Like what?
(no message)Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.-
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Not an expert on this, but it seems to me that the parent[s] are the crucial factor in success.
The parents who are the most engaged go through the effort to get their kids into the charter school. The kids then succeed relative to the kids with no family structure who are left behind. Was it the charter school that contributed to the success, or was it the parental engagement? I think it is the latter, mostly.
A frank discussion on this would require that we be allowed to talk about the family crisis in inner cities without being labeled racists.
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Level 6
You are essentially correct
About 85% of a child's performance in school can be predicted by two factors: parental income and parental education level.
"School factors" matter, but not nearly as much as home factors.
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"Parental income and parental education level" are proxies for the real factor: parental interest
Those with higher incomes and education levels come from families with higher parental interest in the success of their children...interest in their children succeeding more than the parent did...interest in sacrificing for the next generation. It is parental interest which is the primary predictor of success of children, and parental interest is often (though not always) repeated for the next generation. It can be found in parents with lower income and lower education levels. My father never went to college, but all of his children earned masters or doctorates. The parents that put their kids in the charter schools are more interested...and therefore the educational environment there is better.Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Level 6
Agreed on all counts.
(no message)Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Well for one, it helps the AA community get better footing. Dems hate that.
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Don't do the same thing Chris is doing, namely, making blanket statements.
Of course some black families have been helped by some charter schools. Only a moron would argue charter schools are never the solution. But they aren't magic bullets and they won't solve fundamental problems in our education system.
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I could go on for a long time and cite stats and research to you guys
I’d sorta rather try to teach it to my dog.-
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Why not do so?
I am actually curious. I don't have a dog in the Charter School fight.Are you kind? -
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You sure could.
Kind of like with the Pinker thesis, though, much data would be left out and a whole host of logical fallacies would be employed.
I like that you've picked on my theme of dogs, tonight, though.
Sit, Ubu, sit. Good dog.
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To quote the great DJT, what have they got to lose? Many inner city public schools aren't even safe
BaronVonZemo 64186 postsThe kids struggle to survive,much less learn. And the testing results are horrendous.
If your kids were stuck in an inner city public school like this, you would move them in a heart beat. You know this.
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