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You are who you are.

Author: conorlarkin (21011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:50 am on Feb 6, 2022
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Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/04/liz-cheney-republicans-censure-orwellian/

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

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Thread Level: 2

On the positive side, our Military, DOJ and Homeland Security said "NO" to seizing voting machines..

Author: TyroneIrish (20431 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:50 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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this 'cancer' in the GOP must, and will be, rooted out...going to take time and much effort, but it needs to be done. Fortunately, there are a few conservatives like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger who will stand up.

Meanwhile..."Battleshort" effort for the 2022 mid-terms...


Thread Level: 3

Pure Fantasy

Author: Iggle (12616 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 2:19 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Nobody ever asked or ordered them to seize voting machines.

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Iggle he is a disinformation operative pushing a globalist agenda

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 3:35 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Yeah...I'm sure just a few aides were 'doodling' away on something called a "Draft Executive Order"

Author: TyroneIrish (20431 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:46 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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while their boss had no idea what they were up to, since he was businly preparing a gracious exit speech. (read every bit of the Politico article attached)

Here's some video from Bill Barr...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUF9y80769s

And more supporting evidence...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/04/trump-draft-order-voting-machines-white-house-meeting

You really want to go down "Fantasy Highway" on this?...just stick around for more revelations as the Jan. 6th committee goes live in Prime Time.


Link: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572

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Nobody signed any order. Nobody said "No". Again, pure fantasy.

Author: Iggle (12616 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 2:49 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Trump, the Commander in Chief, clearly contemplated doing so, along with his co-conspirators.

Author: conorlarkin (21011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:07 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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The fact they he presumably declined taking such action, is not exactly "a feather in his cap" in light of all his other efforts to overturn the election results.

The question posed is where is your outrage? Do you not view the integrity of our democracy as the line in the sand that we are all prepared to protect, united together above and beyond our partisan views?


Link: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/04/trump-draft-order-voting-machines-white-house-meeting

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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What conspiracy?

Author: Iggle (12616 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 7:01 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Show me the conspiracy, tell me what it involved, and name the players.

Just because Trump is a jackass doesn’t mean actual crimes actually happened. You parroted four years of complete bullshit about Russia. How is this different? Explain in detail. Thanks.


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I'm not the only one talking about "Conspiracy"...and we're just getting started...

Author: TyroneIrish (20431 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:05 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/conspiracy-charges-possible-filing-bogus-election-slates-legal-experts-rcna14286

Thread Level: 9

Completely unrelated to current discussion, but I renew my bet for this.

Author: Iggle (12616 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 8:13 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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I bet no charges arise from this new issue, either. Three months off open. Deal?

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You mean like Trump's advisors from , Navarro, Hannity, Carlson, Mark Meadows, John Eastman, Philip

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 7:21 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Waldren, Jim Jordan, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones and all those involved in the "Green Bay Sweep"? You mean like those and others?

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Now answer the question, Dim.

Author: Iggle (12616 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 7:57 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Explain the conspiracy. Identify what crimes you believe these people committed.

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Well, Piggledypoop - The rhetorical question post to you is the answer.

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 8:08 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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As with Ty, you don't surprise me, Dim.

Author: Iggle (12616 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 8:15 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Rhetorical. LoL lol lol

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He deals in fantasy

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:24 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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I'm not an attorney, but the attached link was written by attorneys...and to my eyes, you don't need

Author: TyroneIrish (20431 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:03 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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to actually carry out a crime (i.e. illegal seizure of voting machines), so long as the conspirators take an overt act toward that end (i.e. draft an Executive Order), with the "Intent" of carrying it out.

Anyone claiming that Donald Trump was unaware of all this is either beyond "naive", or purposely spreading dis-information...which one are you?


Link: https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/conspiracy.html

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You said the military, doj, and dhs said "No".

Author: Iggle (12616 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 3:21 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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False. Not true. Your statement is bullshit.

They were never asked to do that.

Geddit?


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That 'draft' EO specifically called for the DOD to seize Dominion voting machines...Trump reviewed

Author: TyroneIrish (20431 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:14 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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it (intent)...that is all illegal...there was a conspiracy to commit a crime, with clear understanding that it was illegal...Bill Barr (DOJ) said so...(btw, he has been cooperating with the Jan. 6th committee)...reports have been made that DOJ and HHS were queried on the same action as well, and rebuffed by legal counsel...per the NYT.

I'm just alerting you and others to what's coming down the pike for Trump and his henchmen/women...you clearly have your eyes and ears closed...be sure to open them when the Jan. 6th committee goes live, and the trials start...

You can yell and scream, like Trump, all you want, but it won't change the facts, or the upcoming testimonies...the storm is coming.


Thread Level: 9

Pure fantasy, again. The walls are closing in!!!!

Author: Iggle (12616 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 4:49 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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I will bet you a three month posting hiatus that nobody is charged with any crime connected to this. Do you have the balls to put that on the line, Tyrone?

Thread Level: 10

So, as you can see from his answer below, no, he does not have the balls. He's a lightweight.

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:09 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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This is not a game…real investigations into seditious activities are on-going…what side do

Author: TyroneIrish (20431 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:53 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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You support?…those.who would illegally try to seize voting machines, or those who believe in democracy and the rule of law…time to choose.

Thread Level: 11

Twice now today I’ve seen a democrat say rule of law. That’s hilarious.

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 5:45 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Guess which party this is? Supports sanctuary cities, illegal immigration, No bail, defunding the police and open borders.

Thread Level: 12

Oh, I'm sure you could have typed in some more unrelated issues. Try again.

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 5:55 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Rule of Lew. At least you can’t deny it. Thanks Jim

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 5:56 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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It's really wonderful when you all do that - e.g.; 1/6 attack on Capitol is the same as BLM protests

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:37 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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OR - Bob's dirty kitchen sink dishes are the same as Libs pointing out MTGreene is a bigoted piece of crap pretending to be a member of Congress in good standing - things like that - one having nothing to do with the other.

Clean your dishes and MTGreene is a piece of crap pretending to be a member of Congress in good standing.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Im glad you’ve recovered from your Palin meltdown last week

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 7:13 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Must have been your Palin meltdown. I simply asked the question is she a menace to society?

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 7:23 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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So that's a no. Not surprised at all.

Author: Iggle (12616 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 5:06 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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I knew you lacked the balls. You won't even answer direct questions.

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Have they harassed her in bathroom stall yet? Engulfed her car? Blockaded her houseboat?

Author: BaronVonZemo (59912 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 12:31 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:56 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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You certainly deserve additional difficulty points for executing the quad...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33495 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:57 am on Feb 7, 2022
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Per conor,”You are what you are”…a hypocrite. And your side’s actions threatened violence.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59912 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:32 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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At least you acknowledge the Left does these types of cultish things.

Author: NedoftheHill (44669 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:34 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Give the man a break...he's caught between a rock and a hard place...he has to say something to

Author: TyroneIrish (20431 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:51 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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change the subject and avoid any further confrontation with truth and reality.

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....right? and did they threaten to have her taken out, or did they call her a Nazi? no - so it's

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 1:22 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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all cool by you. I mean, you cannot separate anything that happens no matter how specious or unconnected - it all belongs to one big pile, right?

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Or who you believe you are at any particular moment in time

Author: LanceManion (7939 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 11:31 am on Feb 6, 2022
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Orwellian indeed

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 10:47 am on Feb 6, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Popeye the Sailor Man…approves this message.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33495 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:10 am on Feb 6, 2022
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WaPo is exactly who they are.

Author: ELP (9578 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 9:59 am on Feb 6, 2022
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Washington Post blurs the line between its news reporting and literal Chinese propaganda

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 11:21 am on Feb 6, 2022
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What do you stand for?

Author: conorlarkin (21011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:11 am on Feb 6, 2022
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"The Republican Party on Friday took an official stand — against truth and democracy. At the Republican National Committee’s winter meeting in Salt Lake City, party leaders censured Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and moved to aid her primary opponent, Harriet Hageman, who is former president Donald Trump’s preferred candidate for Wyoming’s lone congressional seat.

The Orwellian censure resolution accuses Ms. Cheney and fellow GOP dissident Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) of engaging in behavior “destructive to the institution of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Republican Party and our republic.” Her transgression? Co-leading the House committee investigating the Capitol invasion, an act of political violence Mr. Trump inspired when he was a sitting president charged with protecting the nation from enemies foreign and domestic. The investigation, the censure resolution claimed, is “a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse.”

When in recent memory has the House been more threatened as when members had to barricade the doors to the chamber against a dangerous mob screaming for their blood? By insisting on a full probe and accountability for one of the country’s lowest moments since the Civil War, Ms. Cheney is waging what, within her party, is an increasingly lonely battle against those seeking to pervert the U.S. system of government for personal gain.

Over the past year, Republican leaders have chosen a different course, putting in their lot with the insurrectionists. Since Jan. 6, 2021, senior party officials have gone from acknowledging Mr. Trump’s guilt to punishing those, such as Ms. Cheney, who continue to speak up about a tragedy that no American should forget. It remains to be seen what punishment former vice president Mike Pence will endure following a Friday speech in which he rebuked Mr. Trump’s claims that he could have overturned the election on Jan. 6. Republicans assailing Ms. Cheney and siding with Mr. Trump and his lies about the 2020 election are the ones who imperil the republic. By asserting, as their censure resolution did Friday, that truth is fiction and patriots are turncoats, they have exposed the dark, festering core of what their party is becoming: an unruly revolt against fact and reason that betrays the principles leaders, such as former president Ronald Reagan, championed.

Many Republicans want to focus on other issues, such as inflation, the economy and how to run schools during the covid-19 pandemic, hoping that voters will forget Jan. 6 and hand them the House majority in this year’s midterm elections. Ms. Cheney refused to let them change the subject. She rightly believes commitment to democracy should override partisan allegiances and that policy preferences on issues stand insignificant next to commitment to the constitutional order.

Republicans have started their election year by revealing what they really stand for. Voters must remember this moment in November."


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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What do you stand for?

Author: Hank the Tank (9413 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:11 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Truth, Integrity, Democracy, American values, the Rule of Law.

Author: conorlarkin (21011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:29 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Stayed differently, — all the things that the GOP cult seeks to destroy.

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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You lost me at Rule of Law and and being a democrat. That’s funny

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 3:36 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Supports sanctuary cities, illegal immigration, open borders, no bail reform and defund the police. Welcome to the democratic platform Connor.

Thread Level: 6

you must be a republican, thats what stand for.

Author: Hank the Tank (9413 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:43 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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You ain't fooling anyone. You talk the talk but come short of walking the walk.

Author: ELP (9578 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 2:40 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Were the summer BLM riots, looting, arson, and murder part of your American values? How about the murder of thousands upon thousands of unborn innocents, mostly in minority communities? Is that your American values? What about all the young dying through black on black shootings? Maybe that's your American values? Shutting down business for no scientific reason. Force feeding lie upon lie the past two years to the point that people do not trust doctors, scientists, or the government. Dudes using girls bathrooms is surely what the founding fathers had in mind. Is all this your truth? Just have the courage to say who and what you really are instead of this self righteous charade.

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ELP, you have some very loose hinges...you go off on rants with little indication of having

Author: TyroneIrish (20431 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:55 am on Feb 7, 2022
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given any of the myriad issues any thought at all...just pure emotional reaction...here's some things for you to think about before you post another diatribe...

>"BLM" is, as Conor mentioned, an exceptionally large movement (15-26 million) of white as well as black supporters who in no way condone the violence of an exceedingly small percentage...and even then, their disruptions in no way "Threatened" our democracy or constitutional rule of law...like the Jan. 6th Insurrection did...you look at a few hundred rioters and totally ignore the tens of millions who carry those BLM banners...you fail to think about WHY so many people are moved to demonstrate.

>As I've mentioned before, and will bring up again...all abortions start with "Unwanted Pregnancies"....so unwanted that they overwhelm the women who became pregnant...sometimes by violent attacks...and sometimes by marital abuse...which are some of the reasons why 80-90% of all Americans since polls were started on this issue in 1975, insist that Abortion remains legal....you fail to think and understand WHY abortions happen.

>Shootings in largely black communities are a symptom of racial and economic discrimination...such problems don't occur in up-scale neighborhoods....you fail to think about WHY those crimes happen.

>Certain businesses have suffered during this pandemic, and again, you fail to think of the needed measures that have been taken to keep our hospitals and staffs from being totally overwhelmed, let alone the saving of so many people from preventable deaths...think about WHY temporary lockdowns and other transmission-limiting efforts are recommended.

>You fail to think and realize that two years ago, before COVID, all those doctors, nurses and scientists were busily working to keep you healthy and protected from many illnesses, like H1N1, Ebola and Zika infections...no one accused them of 'politicizing' their recommendations, or mis-leading the public...think about WHY that perception and "Trust" in our HC providers changed...hint: (DJT).

>Transgender people have a sexual identity problem that we don't yet understand the "WHY" of...i.e. genetic, physical, hormonal, psychological...or a mixture thereof...but they are 'People" and deserve understanding and consideration while trying to enable them to have a good life...instead of mindlessly persecuting them...which is all I hear from many on this board...

Please stop...catch your breath...and THINK about WHY these things are happening...once you gain true understanding, you'll then be able to help make things BETTER...instead of just mindlessly ranting.


Link: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/03/us/george-floyd-protests-crowd-size.html

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I can dismiss you as easily as you dismiss me. I don't respect you or your messaging.

Author: ELP (9578 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 9:59 am on Feb 7, 2022
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I responded to your list of grievances...that is the antithesis of "dismissing" you....have you no

Author: TyroneIrish (20431 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:15 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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reply?...this is supposed to be an "Open Forum" where people "discuss" matters of common interest...not a bulletin board for statements only.

It's largely a given that there will be two diverse opinions...let's see how the process of discerning the truth plays out...your turn to respond.


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That's your push back????

Author: conorlarkin (21011 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:02 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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The BLM movement was joined by people across the globe -- united by the concept that people of color matter -- no more, but certainly no less. Neither BLM or Democrats endorsed or supported looting, arson, and other crimes committed by perpetrators on the fringe. And don't forget the summer of 2020 occurred on Trump's watch.

And yes, we support science and the expertise of public health officials.

Sorry that you view transgender persons as a contagious disease. FWIW, I believe you are safe.

Your trumped up "culture wars" reflects exactly why you have a limited grasp of American values.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 8

Everything you said was false, everything. Elp handed you your ass, and

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:34 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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you came back with nothing but lies. By the way, BLM was the driving force behind the looting and rioting.How dare you deny that? You are completely dishonest.

Thread Level: 7

well said

Author: Hank the Tank (9413 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:46 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Against the commie leftists of course.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 12:56 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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How many on the left came to the defense of Tulsi? Manchin? Sinema?

Author: ELP (9578 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 2:29 pm on Feb 6, 2022
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How many wanted them exiled? How many came to Tulsi's defense when Hillary called her a Russian asset? Anybody?

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