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Something needs to change to stem the dependency on oil. It will soon be $100 a barrel.

Author: Quest4twelve (6745 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 1:22 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Thread Level: 2

Gee, what could that ‘something’ be?

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8036 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:01 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Take a wild guess.

This is a classic liberal take. Do everything possible to damage something, and when the predictable results occur, demand that ‘something’ be done about it.

Since begging OPEC, killing pipelines and blocking new leases on federal land don’t seem to work, what can we possibly do? There’s a reason oil companies have slashed their exploration budgets - the world treats them like tobacco companies, with bullshit, feel good ESG mandates and demands of widespread divestitures. They finally said fuck it, we’ll just focus on sure things. We don’t need that bullshit any more.

$100 is just a start. Climate morons will soon get their wish, and when it happens, you can be guaranteed they’ll blame greedy oil companies and fossil fuel subsidies.

Self awareness is not a strong suit of climate idiots.


'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
Thread Level: 3

Nigel, here are some points to ponder wrt Climate Change...

Author: TyroneIrish (20636 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:57 am on Feb 8, 2022
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>Before the Industrial Age our atmosphere had roughly 1,900 Gigatons of CO2
>Since the IA started, mankind has added ~1,300 Gtns (we now have ~ 3,200 Gtns total)
>Currently, humans are adding ~40 Gtns/yr
>It takes between 20-200 years to scrub most of the added CO2 out of the atmosphere...thousands of years for the rest.
>...No one disputes that CO2 is a greenhouse gas

Sooner or later, we're going to have a really bad problem...when would you like to start doing something about it?...especially considering that we now have alternative sources of energy for most of the Fossil Fuel uses. The longer we wait, the harder the change will be.

Things do change...wishing they wouldn't isn't an effective strategy.


Thread Level: 4

How many years do we have, Ty?

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8036 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:52 am on Feb 8, 2022
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It is precisely your line of thinking that has led to the current shitshow. We've seen ominous predictions galore for the past five decades+, and EVERY SINGLE TIME, they never come to fruition.

But it's the hysterical climate crowd that is guided by your exact point - we have to do something! Never mind the cure may be far worse than the illness. Just do something! We're all gonna die!


'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
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#1) Do you agree that we are increasing the CO2 content in our atmosphere at a rate that will see

Author: TyroneIrish (20636 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:01 pm on Feb 8, 2022
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the concentration of a greenhouse gas double the pre-industrial age level in less than 20 years at current rates of FF consumption?...and w/o any change in usage, that concentration would be tripled in less than 50 years....(see the comments in my previous post)

#2) Do you agree that global oil reserves (see BP link) have not shown a significant increase in the last few decades...other than 'fracking'...a technology that doesn't imply un-ending "abundance'?

In the opinion of leaders for developed countries around the world, who have the very best information available to them...we need to take action...not some day in the future...but now.

Fossil fuels have unique uses for which there are no reasonable alternatives...burning them up in an instant to be lost forever, when we have alternatives (Nuclear and Renewables)...IMO is the height of foolishness...time for change.


Thread Level: 6

OK, I'll play along

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8036 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:12 pm on Feb 8, 2022
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#1 - I have no idea
#2 - I have no idea

This line literally made me laugh out loud:

"In the opinion of leaders for developed countries around the world, who have the very best information available to them....."

Did our leaders have the best information available when they were making all of their incorrect prognostications over the past several decades? Or is it only now that they REALLY have the best information available?


'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
Thread Level: 7

C'mon, Nigel...nations are making changes already...ramping up Renewables projects with major

Author: TyroneIrish (20636 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 6:49 pm on Feb 8, 2022
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investments...unfortunately, not enough nuclear right now, but somewhat understandable...China is building scores of new nukes...even Russia has is pursuing large Fast Breeder Reactors.

This transition is going to take time, but a lot of countries are taking ACTION...moreover, our own auto industry is making huge investments in EVs...they are NOT keeping their eggs in the FF basket, if you will.

Changes are happening all around...FOR A REASON...I'd advise taking notice.


Thread Level: 3

So true.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60121 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:35 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Dude. Trying paying attention some time. You are embarrassing yourself.

Author: NedoftheHill (44728 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:27 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 3

Well put.

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:16 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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The nice thing about the price mechanism...

Author: Iggle (12634 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 6:37 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Is that it makes things happen without grand government plans.

Thread Level: 2

Wonder why that price is so high? Hmm. This might qualify as one of your funniest posts to date.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60121 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:20 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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I’ll ask Greta and see what she says.

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:58 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Thread Level: 2

Drill baby drill.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 2:54 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
Thread Level: 3

Joe's going Green. Energy companies and their investors get nervous and cut back

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:06 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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on supply. And yes, his decision to scrap two pipelines added to this nervousness. His kneeling to the climate crowd has caused 90% of the problem. He couldn't manage an ice cream stand

Thread Level: 4

It's just a coincidence that prices have gone steadily up since Joe took over.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 3:11 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Nothing to see here.

Jersey Sucks!
Thread Level: 5

It's Transitory, right? I remember the pros using that word.

Author: TampaIrish (11648 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:18 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
Thread Level: 6

It was until it kept going up and up and up.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 4:31 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
Thread Level: 2

For those who want to dive a little deeper into the energy issue...attached is a link from British

Author: TyroneIrish (20636 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:35 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Petroleum...it has lots of relevant and interesting information...btw, BP estimates that there are 47 years left of oil reserves at current consumption rates...oh, and it takes anywhere from 60-250 million years to replenish them...just saying...

Then, there's the Climate Change problem...for another thread.


Link: https://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/statistical-review-of-world-energy/oil.html

Thread Level: 3

Let me ask a simple question. Assume you are correct and we only have 20 years left. What will be

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:02 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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the price of crude in the next 5-15 years. How about $200 per barrel? What will that do to global energy prices and manufacturing. Your promised land may be here one day. You and I won’t live to see it. But our children and grandchildren will suffer enormously.

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Thread Level: 4

Let's hope that the "powers that be" don't wait to take action until the BP estimate is at 20 years.

Author: TyroneIrish (20636 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:33 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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the situation is becoming quite clear...there's only one way this 'Status Quo' is leading us..and that's to energy shortages, if we stay on fossil fuels only...don't get me wrong, we'll always need them, but for other uses beside heating and transportation (e.g. plastics and clothing, to name a couple)...we need to shift as quickly as is humanly possible (Politics, Economic Changes...you name it...) onto Nuclear and Renewable energy sources for heating, lighting, transportation....

That's pro-active protection for our progeny...to do nothing, other than the status quo is, for want of a better term..."Negligent".


Thread Level: 5

I support renewables, solar, wind and nuclear but I’m a realistic. We can’t make EV’s now. So the

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:50 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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transition will be painful because you can’t find capital to invest in fossil fuel production which we will need for the next 20 years through the transition. We will see $200 per barrel oil.

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Change is hard...especially when our whole "World" is based on Fossil Fuels...wish we didn't have to

Author: TyroneIrish (20636 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 6:43 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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do this...but we do.

Thread Level: 2

That ship sailed when sleepy took over.

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:50 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Thread Level: 3

Based on what? Please sweet baby Jesus don't say Keystone pipeline.

Author: Quest4twelve (6745 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 2:09 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Pipelines and export terminals in the US are vital to provide an alternative to China and Russia

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:04 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Thread Level: 4

He doesn’t have an answer, it’s just about insults his posse will like.

Author: jimbasil (52698 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 2:25 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 5

Then ask me what to expect in the next 5-15 years.

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:05 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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Thread Level: 2

No problem... as the price continues to rise less and less people will be able to afford it.

Author: Curly1918 (16487 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:42 pm on Feb 7, 2022
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