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Covid 19 - a look at the future

Author: Iggle (12614 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:47 am on Jun 17, 2020
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This seems to be a reasonable article about what we can expect going forward. Michael Osterholm seems to be widely respected.

Link: https://www.bluezones.com/2020/06/covid-19-straight-answers-from-top-epidemiologist-who-predicted-the-pandemic/

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Thread Level: 2

Sounds like he has the important quality as scientist- honesty, i.e. a lot of "I don't know" in his

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:09 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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answer.

Don't know how to achieve 60 or 70% level immunity, but admit it's the reality we have to get there.
Don’t know if the vaccines under developing can get our goal.
Admit we don't really don't really the origin of 1918 flu, and we don't know what happened to the virus of the past 10 pandemic.
Reject demand of a universal magic answer/response. If any answer/response is viewed good, it is only good today, not necessarily good in long term.

This is the attitude that a scientist/expert should have, being honest and not afraid to say we don't know.


Thread Level: 2

Covid19 is not the leading cause of death in the US

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8035 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:47 am on Jun 17, 2020
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Heart disease and cancer are #1 and #2, and it's not close.

More fear porn.


'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
Thread Level: 3

You can't catch heart disease and cancer at the supermarket.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (25810 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:53 am on Jun 17, 2020
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Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
Thread Level: 4

Obesity is a leading contributor to heart disease

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8035 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:45 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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In assessing COVID19, we must consider it in totality. We now know that the obese are disproportionately affected by COVID19.

The observation that it is helping to cull the population of lardasses is valid.


'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
Thread Level: 5

👍 Well done

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:50 pm on Jun 17, 2020
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Thread Level: 3

Take away Jan-March and the numbers are much closer

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:16 am on Jun 17, 2020
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Thread Level: 2

Very objective. Now we need policies that reflect this reality.

Author: Curly1918 (16437 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:45 am on Jun 17, 2020
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We have to learn to "live" with the inevitable "costs." We already take reasonable precautions with the other major causes of death without ruining our lives. There is no reason why our response to coronavirus should be any different, especially when the overwhelming number fatalities are among the very elderly.

Thread Level: 3

What we need is common feckin sense. This is why the pace and process of reopening was important.

Author: Frank L (64662 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:04 am on Jun 17, 2020
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This is also why leadership is important. It’s a fast spreading, communicable disease without any immunity. That’s what distinguishes it from other causes of death. That’s why historically we still talk about events like the bubonic plague and Spanish flu.

The problem we have is that when we reopened, vast swaths of the population just thought that meant going back to how things were before, despite the continuing existence of this very communicable disease. You need to take care of yourself and your family. You don’t need to stay in lockdown or hibernation, but I wouldn’t be going to mass events, or packed restaurants or bars. Again, you can’t fix stupid.


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Thread Level: 4

Couple of things. If it’s trial and error, I err on the side of safety.

Author: Frank L (64662 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:44 am on Jun 17, 2020
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It’s not trial and error to know that we just couldn’t resume our normal lives after lockdown with this thing still out there. If one is too stupid to know that, again it can’t be fixed. You need to be smart and take precautions. If not, it’s on you.

Thread Level: 5

Responds to curls below.

Author: Frank L (64662 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:44 am on Jun 17, 2020
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Thread Level: 4

We are groping in the dark on this. It's trial and error and above all, one size does not fit all.

Author: Curly1918 (16437 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 11:39 am on Jun 17, 2020
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Thread Level: 2

This guy is great. I try to listen whenever he talks.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:30 am on Jun 17, 2020
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Thread Level: 2

Sobering and bleak. Also well explained. Hope he’s wrong on the death tolls. Has Sweden nailed.

Author: Frank L (64662 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:00 am on Jun 17, 2020
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Thread Level: 2

they’ve all been proven to be useless, we need a genius scientist, not a dime a dozen scientist

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:56 am on Jun 17, 2020
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Thread Level: 3

Are you and Hank T. Tank the same person?

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:31 am on Jun 17, 2020
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