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Pro-Palestinian Protest in front of Notre Dame Cathedral. Islamists threaten to burn it down...

NedoftheHill 47615 posts Joined:
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...unless Brahim Aouissaoui is released. He is the guy who attacked Catholics at a cathedral in Nice, killing a 60 year old woman (nearly decaptiating her) and two others.

Fires were lit in front of Notre Dame de Paris. Police increased their presence to protect the building.

But, this is just students who want better facilities for their schools.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
  • Level 1

    Translation: They’re coming for you, America!

    Excerpts:

    They say that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, but President Trump and his allies have found a new low: open bigotry against Muslims.

    The bar for what can shock has been raised steadily over the past decade, but even by Trump-era standards, remarks that the president made yesterday at a rally in Port Huron, Michigan, are astonishing: a straightforward assertion that a Muslim candidate for office is a terrorist by virtue of his faith.

    Trump was campaigning for Mike Rogers, the Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in Michigan, when he attacked Rogers’s opponent, the Democrat Abdul El-Sayed. “I’m here to keep a jihadist Muslim Brotherhood member from becoming a United States senator,” Trump said. “If Abdul and the Democrats win, they will open the floodgates and invite hordes of jihadists to our shores, creating a nightmare of violence and terror until you cannot even have a Christmas.” Trump also said that “anyone with that record of support for jihadists would be screened and unable to get a seat on an airplane.” He added that if elected, El-Sayed “would be the only senator that will have to go through a metal detector before he’s allowed to go into the Senate.” (In fact, the only time that members of Congress have had to pass through metal detectors in the Capitol was on the House side, as a security precaution after Trump supporters sacked it on January 6, 2021.)

    To be clear: El-Sayed has disavowed the Muslim Brotherhood, and no one has produced any evidence that he has ties to the group. Neither has anyone produced any evidence that El-Sayed has ties to any jihadists or is one himself. If he did, the Justice Department would presumably be prosecuting him—it certainly hasn’t shied away from politicized cases under Trump.

    The president and anyone else are free to critique El-Sayed’s views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, or any other policy matter, but that’s not what this is. Asking a candidate to disavow a foreign political group that has no American arm is a nonsensical and prejudiced thing to do, but Republicans have been trying hard in the past couple of weeks to draw some connection between El-Sayed and the group, despite a lack of evidence. Perhaps this is because they believe “Muslim Brotherhood” sounds shadowy and scary to voters. The new tack is also silly because the GOP previously spent months trying to connect El-Sayed to the Democratic Socialists of America, another group that he says he is not a member of. Historically, the Brotherhood, an Islamist organization, has typically clashed with socialists in the Muslim world.

    Politicians allied with Trump are also getting in on the hate. Earlier this year, I wrote about a spree of bigoted remarks by GOP members of Congress. More recently, Representative Tom Emmer, a Minnesota Republican, said that Somali Americans should assimilate or “go the hell back.” (He added that he wasn’t afraid of being called an Islamophobe.) And Texas Governor Greg Abbott, who is in a tough reelection race, falsely claimed that his Democratic opponent, Gina Hinojosa, “supports Sharia law” because she received an endorsement from the Council on American-Islamic Relations. You don’t have to think too hard to guess why CAIR opted to back someone running against Abbott.

    Islamophobic rhetoric deserves condemnation on its own terms, but the attacks don’t just affect El-Sayed, Omar, or even Muslim communities in the United States. During the same speech, Trump—who has previously said that Jewish Democrats are “disloyal to Jewish people”—called for ostracizing any Jewish Michiganders who vote for El-Sayed. “Any Jewish person that supports this guy should be ashamed of themselves,” he said. “You should never speak to them again.” Once bigotry against one community enters the mainstream, it tends to spread quickly to other groups.

    Link: https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/2026/10/islamophobia-trump-midterms-el-sayed/689168/?gift=nSqsbq99G5aLifkdkvvyM30a7nuquaKiZRwzrOQvhR4

    The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
  • Level 1

    Guardian:..."Protest leaders urge French pupils to keep barricading their schools"... Ned is more

    than a little confused over what's happening in France, and has let his imagination run wild...even thinks that pupils are trying to decapitate 60 yr old women in Nice?

    Looks like he's flying in formation with Baron over the Cuckoo's Nest...

    Link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/oct/26/protest-leaders-urge-french-students-to-keep-barricading-their-schools

    • Level 2

      Gee, maybe if France hadn't allowed massive migration classrooms wouldn't be overcrowded?

      Just a logical thought. And teacher shortages...how do you force more people to become teachers?

      I think this is misleading reporting from the mainstream media. Students don't care about their education to a degree that they're rioting for these things. On my Facebook feed I see all sorts of people - from France, mind you - saying these protests are largely from immigrants. But I guess you'll believe the NY Times over the people who actually live there and are experiencing this.

      • Level 3

        Your Facebook friends are hardly the most objective observers...

        Here's what's behind the Student/Teacher demonstrations....

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        AI Overview

        No, the stated causes of the student and teacher demonstrations in France are domestic public service and educational grievances, not immigration.

        Stated Causes and Grievances

        • Education and Infrastructure: Protests were triggered and driven by severe structural issues in public schools, including chronic teacher shortages, unreplaced absences, overcrowded classrooms (sometimes holding 40 students), leaky roofs, broken heating/cooling, and dilapidated buildings.
        • Economic and Budgetary Pressure: Demonstrations expanded to include trade unions and public sector workers protesting against government budget constraints, public spending cuts, wage freezes, and soaring living costs.
        • University Admissions Stress: Students have heavily criticized the opaque and competitive Parcoursup higher-education allocation system.
        • Historical Tradition of Unrest: Fact-checks by news agencies and historical analyses note that mass street blockades, student strikes, and violent clashes with authorities are a centuries-old tradition in French political culture—dating back to well before modern migration patterns (such as May 1968 and earlier revolutions). Read more on TIME and BBC News.

        The Role of Immigration in Political Discourse

        • External and Political Attribution: Figures like U.S. President Donald Trump and other foreign political commentators have publicly claimed the unrest is driven by mass migration, failed integration, and cultural friction rather than schools.
        • Domestic Political Exploitation: Right-wing and far-right figures (such as Marine Le Pen's National Rally) use the broader climate of social and economic crisis to campaign on anti-immigration, law-and-order, and security platforms ahead of the upcoming 2027 French presidential election.
        • French Government Rejection: French President Emmanuel Macron and government officials have rejected foreign interference and external characterizations of the crisis, labeling outside comments exploiting the domestic unrest as unacceptable and misleading.
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      • Level 3

        You have a one-track mind...the fundamental issue in France, and I would argue in the USA as well,

        is Wealth Inequality...

        For the French, here's their situation...and for the majority of them, who aren't lucky enough to have been born with silver spoons, any hope they have of improvement is a superior education...hence the widespread demonstrations...co-opted by outside political factions.

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        AI Overview

        Yes, wealthy French people and communities receive significantly more educational resources, stability, and public investment than poorer ones. While the French government officially champions a system of republican equality and directs extra funding to disadvantaged areas through "priority education networks" (REP and REP+), a profound divide remains in how resources are actually distributed on the ground.
        Structural issues, staffing disparities, and higher education paths widen the gap between affluent and low-income students in France:

        1. Massive Inequities in Higher Education Spending

        Research by the World Inequality Lab shows that public spending on higher education is highly regressive. Because wealthy students are disproportionately accepted into elite, highly funded programs (such as Grandes Écoles and selective Master’s tracks), the state ends up spending far more on them. On average, public higher education investment amounts to €27,000 per student for the top 10% of households, compared to just €7,000 to €8,000 for the bottom 30%.

        2. Chronic Teacher Shortages and High Turnover

        While the national government allocates additional funds to schools in poorer suburbs to reduce class sizes, these schools struggle to retain qualified staff.
        • The Experience Gap: Senior, higher-paid teachers utilize the national point system to transfer to safer, wealthier school districts. As a result, schools in poorer areas are left with a high turnover of young, inexperienced, and lower-paid teachers.
        • Unreplaced Absences: When teachers fall ill in low-income zones like Seine-Saint-Denis, they often go unreplaced for months, causing students to lose vital instructional hours.

        3. Crumbled Infrastructure vs. Private Flight

        Widespread student and teacher protests have brought intense scrutiny to the physical decay of schools in disadvantaged neighborhoods. High schools in lower-income areas frequently face overcrowding (up to 35+ students per class), broken heating, mold, and pest infestations. Facing these decaying public facilities, wealthy parents are increasingly abandoning the state system for private institutions, which now educate more than 50% of France's most economically advantaged pupils.

        4. Severe Social Determinism

        The OECD's PISA studies consistently rank France as one of the developed countries where a student's socioeconomic background has the strongest influence on their academic success. The gap in math and reading performance between rich and poor communities is massive, and it typically widens as children grow older rather than closing
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        • Level 4

          Envy is one of the 7 deadly sins. A political policy driven by envy will end in repressive violence

          The fundamental issue is the public sector devouring the funds for investment in the future. There is no future in Europe with all investment funds being spent on retirement benefits for people who have lived decades longer than expected when the retirement regime was dreamt up. The young shall become even more disillusioned when the left can also do nothing for them. The next phase will be a brutal autocracy by either the left or the right. This appears to be our fate eventually as well.

          Go ahead, tax the golden goose wealthy out of existence... then what?

          • Level 5

            For Heaven's Sake...when are you going to stop Jumping Sharks, Curly? Google the U.S. tax rates

            in the 1950's and 60's for Corporations and the Wealthiest among us, when our GDP was soaring...and Union Workers could afford Summer Vacation spots on the ocean shore or Lakes in the Mountains. Those rates were upwards of 90% for the very highest bracket.

            Today...Mayor Mamdani is asking for a 2% raise in taxes for those making over $1M/yr...as shown below...not likely to force those taxpayers into begging for SNAP benefits.

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            AI Overview

            New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani proposed a 2-percentage-point increase (from 3.88% to 5.88%) in the city personal income tax rate for individuals earning over $1 million per year.
            • Rate Change: Moves the city income tax rate for this income bracket from 3.88% to 5.88% (an actual percentage increase of roughly 51% to 52% on that portion of the tax).
            • Projected Revenue: The plan aims to generate approximately $3 billion to $4 billion annually to fund programs such as universal child care, affordable housing, and public transit.
            • Scope: It is designed to target the top roughly 1% of households (about 34,000 filers) in the city.
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            Now imagine if Everyone paid their "Fair Share"...more 'Customers' with more 'Cash' to spend...instead of hoarding it....maybe they could then afford higher education...and better jobs...allowing them to buy homes...and furniture, etc, etc.
            Any idea on how that might improve our GDP?

            It's not about "Envy"...it's about "Enlightened Self-Interest" and not being "Selfish".

      • Level 3

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  • Level 1

    Completely predictable. In fact, I can think of a POTUS who warned Macron about it in ‘20 & was able

    to stem the tide of uncontrolled, open borders here in the US to mitigate the damage from liberal policy here in the US.

    And, of course, the US has an armed population to better protect itself.

    BVZ
  • Level 1

    Your inability to rectify two disparate thoughts is concerning...one has to do with the deep and

    long developing financial crisis that has led to underfunded schools jeopardizing students' futures...and the initial riots...plus, the very real highjacking of those riots by political opportunists for a myriad of other causes...(don't say this never happens)

    But, then there's always the possibility that you're fully aware of this dichotomy and revel in the opportunity to shift the discussion in your preferred direction...I'll bet on the latter...

  • Level 1

    Have a hunch…they’ll be back…

    Was waiting for the targeting of the cathedral….

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