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Per CDC's own numbers, that means that 60 will actually die from COVID itself rather than including comorbidity complications (9k total thus far nationwide in a country of 420 million). These numbers are less than H1N1.....

...and it took 25k deaths to H1N1 specifically without comorbidities before Obama even called a state of emergency. Oddly, you were not alarmed by this nor did blue state govs shut down their entire economy then.

I'd say trump's performance is quite superior to that.

Go virus! Beat Trump!

I think using that statistic (assuming it is right) to have a discussion about go-forward policies is sound. In other words, do we use that statistic to discuss whether those with comorbidities should be protected while those without move forward more freely? That's a rational discussion. My kids' schools are openly full-time this week and none of us could be happier; I'm all for openly safely.

Using the statistic in some effort to minimize the deaths of nearly 200K seems absurd and likely to fail.

and I have consistently said that from the start. This is how our medical community has managed all such epidemics in the past.

But given the unknowns, I was willing to play it safe for a while. But the data available now is very clear that we should handle it that way, and the only thing holding us back is an election where half the population wants to take advantage of the damage that COVID could do to Trump.

My comment about actual deaths to COVID specifically was in the context of Chris’ post and how he used his data. I wanted to point out to him that using his standard in his post, he should have been all over Obama for H1N1, but was not. I also was making the glass half full argument to his use of the numbers to induce fear.

The virus is no joke to at risk people. But the rest of the country needs to move on because the cure is far worse than the disease at this point.

If not, it’s apples and oranges?

H1N1 was far more dangerous to young people, neonates, and pregnant people - even without comorbidities.
though certainly comorbidities made people at higher risk with H1N1 also.

On the other hand, while Swine Flu was pretty easily transmitted, this Coronavirus is even more so. Coronavirus is also. Ore dangerous to the elderly.

There were 25k Americans who died specifically from H1N1 before Obama reluctantly declared a state of emergency. The health community had been asking for it, but it was at the time of Obamacare, and I suspect his people may have thought it was politically motivated (it was not).
In those days, the media was not tracking every death breathlessly, and we counted deaths only when there was a positive test confirmation and without the comorbidities that could otherwise account for the deaths.
In Obama’s defense, he didn’t want to overreact. Trump had the same concern without the luxury of a supportive media (in fact, the opposite - a media that intentionally fomented fear).

Trump has done fairly well imo. There was no book for this. His PPE supplies were drained, his FDA bureaucracy was overgrown, he faced opposition to his travel bans, and he had to do it in an election year. Despite all of this and more, our actual numbers look pretty good.

I have not addressed the false reporting issue either which has most certainly occurred for political reasons, and insurance billing reasons in an age where data is now farmed as meta data from EMR’s and a diagnosis code for “nonspecific corona infection” exists and pays 20% more and doesn’t require lab confirmation of COVID.

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What exactly has your Supreme Leader done about Covid? Other than to tell everyone how great he is?

This country's Covid "response" is an absolute joke.

And you just keep buying his con.

Amazing.

acquire different infections and die. To be sure, some would be alive. But only a partisan hack would think Trump could avoid all deaths.

Trump has done fairly well overall. The travel ban to China was key, the ventilators were key, the FDA approval process hastening was key.

I would point out that his opponent was arguing against the significance of coronavirus as well as against the need for travel bans until almost 8 weeks after Trump.

This is a novel situation, but taking politics out of it, Trump has done pretty well. He certainly has it right trying to get people back to work now seeing this data. Meanwhile, Biden said he would be willing to shut things down again.

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