24 states have filed suit re Trump's executive order to control who gets a mail in ballot.
Click on "lawsuit" link.
The meat of filing is paragraphs 127-137.
Paragraphs 92-126 are also worth reading.
States have always been in charge of voting. Trump can't pass the SAVE Act. Knowing that a free and fair election will strip Trump's control of Congress, Trump is endeavoring to suffocate voters under the false pretense that mail-in voting is crooked. Four new USPS Board Trump appointees are all election deniers.
Link: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/states-sue-postal-service-mail-voting-rules/
Replies to: “24 states have filed suit re Trump's executive order to control who gets a mail in ballot.”
By "control" you mean validate eligibility.
We need to solve this problem once and for all, and we have the technology for it. Online voting.
You had me until "online" voting.
Hacking would become a huge problem, especially with AI's being trained to subvert/control the vote.
I think this is one area in which we need to go backwards in tech, not forward. Hell, I wouldn't be opposed to using electoral ink, which stains the finger to make it impossible for someone to vote twice (in person, of course).
That was my thought too. I would figure online voting would be easy to hack.
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We bank online, we can vote online.
In fact your entire interaction with the government should be through a single online portal. We have the technology.
Disagree. Who would you put in charge of online voting that you could trust?
Banks are motivated to have a foolproof, trusted system, and even they get hacked sometimes, and it will get worse.
Do you think government bureaucrats are as motivated and talented as those setting up online banking?
You are thinking about what is possible. I am thinking about how the "possible" will be actually implemented and used.
We have the technology. Can the government implement it and use it successfully in ways that are transparent and cannot be subverted?
You would be able to individually verify how your vote was counted.
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That would be nice, I do often wonder where my ballot goes when it disappears from my sight.
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Careful, you might fall into my web...
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I'm only invested in the outcome: security. If you can convince me....
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We can do better than paper ballots: yes or no?
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You’re not wrong but online banking gets hit all the time. I don’t know how to make anything
Online secure. I work with law enforcement from time to time on theft from our equipment. They basically told me - hackers have what they need to steal from the majority of people, they just haven’t gotten to everyone yet. That and some just don’t have anything worth stealing.
Imagine a truck carrying paper ballots crashes and burns, how's your election integrity?
Hacks happen but can be easily recovered from with the right safeguards in place. Plus we got ClaudeMythosAI.gov to protect us!
Im sure those paper ballots were harvested or filled out by homeless people. Those votes somehow
Always fall in the Democrats favor. Im good with them burning.
Can you assure me you can limit hacking to the number of ballots that can fit in a burning truck?
If so, we might be able to have a conversation about this.
Nothing is foolproof. But some ways are harder to implement district-wide, state-wide or nation-wide systemic fraud than others. The old technologies would require a lot people coordinating their actions, and therefore much more likely to be discovered (in theory...you do do hear stories of ballot boxes being pre-stuffed and then discovered in closets when needed). The high tech ways (anything that involves using the internet instead of another communications protocol) may be done by tech centers in China.
I already told you: ClaudeMythosAI.gov
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That's the one not released to the public because it can be good at hacking?
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Yes, but also anti-hacking.
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conor considers blocking noncitizens (from voting Dem) to be "controlling the vote:.
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How about we get people to show up, show their ID and vote in person. If you need a mail in
Ballot for special circumstance, ask for one. A mail in ballot should not be automatically sent.
That makes too much sense. Also makes it hard to conduct voter fraud.
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I’m sure Conor is on the side of “IDs are hard to get” or maybe “certain people don’t know
Where to vote”.
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