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Interesting suggestion: Strict liability for murder of children.

NedoftheHill 47388 posts Joined: Jun 29, 2011

Posted12:34 pm on Sep 9, 2026

His point: We have strict liability for rape of children, but not murder of children.

He suggests that no intent should need to be proven for murder of children; just prove that the act occurred.

Thoughts?

I suppose you would at least have to prove that the act wasn't an accident like a car crash. In the Lindsey Clancy case, we know she murdered her children, and yet we had a hung jury as to her mental state. Do we allow "innocent by reason of insanity" in statutory rape cases? I did 30 seconds of research, and it seems that there is some disagreement among the states.

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Read Morissette v US; Staples v US

conorlarkin 23155 posts 1:23 pm on Sep 9, 2026

We don’t have strict liability crimes especially with felonies.

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  Well, we actually do.
  
  NedoftheHill OP47388 posts 1:37 pm on Sep 9, 2026
  
  Traffic violations is the easiest example to offer. You don't have to intend to speed. Speeding is a strict liability offense. If you did the act, you are guilty.
  Intent to commit a crime is not required in a statutory rape case. You don't have to prove that concensual sex with a minor was intended, only that consensual sex occurred (the intended legal act) and that one party was a minor (no intent necessary).
  Do those two cases change the above principles?
  
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She obviously went nuts. Not sure why you Trumpies are all up-in-arms.

Chris94 39163 posts 12:46 pm on Sep 9, 2026

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  Why is this a political issue for you???
  
  NedoftheHill OP47388 posts 1:06 pm on Sep 9, 2026
  
  Since you weighed in, I will ask: Do you think child rapists are not nuts? Do you think serial murderers are not nuts?
  
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    Because reaction to this seems partisan. And the right is all pissed off.
    
    Chris94 39163 posts 2:02 pm on Sep 9, 2026
    
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    Not for us, but Fox and other rMSM hits my algorithm and they can't get enough of this woman.
    
    Quest4twelve 7997 posts 1:29 pm on Sep 9, 2026
    
    It's the reason why Clay Travis is mentioned here.
    
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      That is not why I mentioned the source; he is an attorney, after all. Edited for your benefit.
      
      NedoftheHill OP47388 posts 1:31 pm on Sep 9, 2026
      
      This issue can be discussed without mentioning politics. So far, this seems to be a problem for you and Chris, but Conor has figured out how to do it.
      
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  Charles Manson went nuts too.....but even he did it to adults.
  
  BaronVonZemo 64208 posts 12:55 pm on Sep 9, 2026
  
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  How could anyone NOT be up in arms?
  
  jakers 14738 posts 12:55 pm on Sep 9, 2026
  
  That anyone could suggest that she belongs anywhere but in a cage for the rest of her life is beyond me.
  
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    She obviously went nuts. It's a horrible tragedy.
    
    Chris94 39163 posts 2:01 pm on Sep 9, 2026
    
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    Because trial by jury is the check ‘n balance against the State.
    
    conorlarkin 23155 posts 1:30 pm on Sep 9, 2026
    
    We realize that in your America, one can be summarily put in a cage without the right to have the State’s case vetted via a trial.
    But, our founding fathers understood the need to check the State’s power, particularly when one’s liberty is at stake.
    
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  You know nothing about this trial at all. No details but yet because
  
  TampaIrish 12746 posts 12:55 pm on Sep 9, 2026
  
  Trumpies are upset about, it has to be stupid. 3 murdered kids by a woman who planned it. Sent her husband out so she could do it. She planned this and seems to be playing the crazy card.
  Of course, if it was 3 illegals or Ukraine kids, you would be all over it screaming how wrong it is. You’re everything that is wrong with this country.
  
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    I wish that I could upvote this reply.
    
    BaronVonZemo 64208 posts 12:57 pm on Sep 9, 2026
    
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I'm not sure this is really the same solution, but i would merely remove the insanity defense option

BaronVonZemo 64208 posts 12:43 pm on Sep 9, 2026

in this type of case.
It is truly sad how devalued the life of the innocent, infirm, and those without a voice has become in our country. And we know which side is pushing this.

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  And mental help can still be provided in prison.
  
  NedoftheHill OP47388 posts 1:05 pm on Sep 9, 2026
  
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