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you be the judge...I can only guess why Baron shuns respected sources for scientific knowledge.

btw, be sure to do a search on the relative "Impact Factors" of both sources when it comes to acceptance by the scientific community...


Link: https://www.science.org/content/article/do-three-new-studies-add-proof-covid-19-s-origin-wuhan-animal-market

From the article: "By almost any definition, this was gain of function research." So your boy the Great Fauchino is a Class A liar and perjuror. Furthermore, from the article:

"Garry wrote of the 'stunning' composition of the furin cleavage site: 'I really can’t think of a plausible natural scenario where you get from the bat virus or one very similar to it to [SARS-CoV-2] where you insert exactly 4 amino acids 12 nucleotide[s] that all have to be added at the exact same time to gain this function…. I just can’t figure out how this gets accomplished in nature.'"

Finally, look at where the origin of the virus happened: gain of function research specifically regarding SARS-type viruses that could infect humans was taking place in a lab in the exact same city as the virus' origin.

Come on. This is so obvious.

“Either way, the team argues the almost simultaneous emergence of two lineages challenges the lab-origin thesis, as it would require two different viruses leaking at roughly the same time. (Gao and colleagues also found both SARS-CoV-2 lineages in their environmental samples.)”

This is also a problem for the wet market thesis, as it would require two different viruses emerging at roughly the same time. Neither of which, by the way, has been traced to any potential animal host.

Baron's hyperbolic leap to accusations against Dr. Fauci, CDC, NIH, FDA, MSM, DNC, CA, "LIBS", et al...;-), over a non-story....(sorry, when I get laughing, it's hard to stop)...

One thing for sure...we DEFINITELY don't know the origin of COVID-19.

Can't stop Baron, though...can only try to "contain him"...(more chuckles...).

The point of the article in Science was to call the lab leak into question. But the strongest point also calls zoonotic origin into question.

I am afraid that we will never know the actual source of this virus. I do think that speed of vaccine development means that we probably don't need to be fishing for potentially dangerous viruses in bat caves. All we need is a dna sequence now.

back that spoke of a "super vaccine" program at DARPA to provide immunity to existing...and future...coronaviruses...goal: keep our defense forces ready for action.

btw, given that there have been several verified "Zoonotic" sources for many viruses, it's right and proper to continue exhausting that vector's possible role in COVIDE-19...the "Lab Theory" is totally dependent on China's cooperation...not much chance of ever getting to the bottom there.

Meanwhile, it would be nice if supposedly respected posters here recognized all this and stopped mixing politics with medicine...another pipe dream ;-).


Link: https://www.darpa.mil/work-with-us/covid-19

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slashed before COVID-19 arose (see link)...would have been nice to have our people there working closely with the locals, as they had been doing...makes one wonder why such a move by DJT?

Link: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exclusive-u-s-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3N5

of changing that. To assume otherwise is naive.

There's always a chance we could strike a deal on something we're all (i.e. bi-partisan approval) willing to offer...having witnessed this pandemic, most would/should agree that such an agreement is worth the effort.

results. How could 3 studies be added up? They are contradictory in conclusion. The author of article even doesn't have a science degree. He is B.A. in science writing, that is bachelor of arts. He certainly has skills of arts to mess up scientific studies. How could a person write about science without learning science in first place? Perhaps only woke universities allow it.

As usual you posted and linked something that you don't really understand, perhaps never carefully read it.

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"Still, Worobey and his co-authors concede, even that evidence might not be enough to end this polarizing debate. “With the way that people have been able to just push aside any and all evidence that points away from a lab leak, I do fear that even if there were evidence from one of these samples that was full of red fox DNA and SARS-CoV-2 that people might say, ‘We still think it actually came from the handler of that red fox,’” Worobey says."

Bottom Line...there is no "Bombshell" revelation, per "Vanity Fair"...we still don't have conclusive evidence...that's my point, so it's fallacious for Baron to use his "Political Alchemy" to start blaming anyone (re: Dr. Fauci) for making false statements...do you disagree?...

btw, because I had read it when it first came out, I was able to access it as soon as I saw Baron's hyperbolic post...unlike some on this board, I make an effort to do some homework before posting...if you really want to hoist someone on their "Petard" over 'unpreparedness'...you need only do a search of Baron's post on masking (MIT Report...not read).

your propensity for distortion, and out right lying, sullies everything you post. Nobody trusts you

My original "Science Journal" post was from Feb. 28, 2022...and I've included a similar review from the acclaimed "Nature" magazine, dated Feb. 27, 2022....the 'Pre-prints' of those three studies were released Feb. 25th and 26th of this year...how about you telling us all when the "studies" that the "Vanity Fair" article references were released...

Just remember, other people read these posts...they can see fact versus fiction...I have no problem standing by mine...if they make you uncomfortable, maybe you should stop and think of why that is...


Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00584-8

proves nothing. Yr same old stick. Do better

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His grants were federal funds, taxpayers' money. Congress certainly has legal authority to call his testimony. He is the only person in US who likely know the now offline database of coronavirus research by Wuhan institution of virus and his organization' annual research report of 2018-2019 amazingly didn't publish on time as usual, only published last year, i.e.1.5 years after pandemic.

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to do where I come from. I am American. National interest is the only thing when I look at geopolitical issues. What our political leaders do is best for Americans as a whole, not just best certain people, special interest groups. That is what I am concerned. I certainly don't care Russophobia. Their hatred, their fear are their feeling. I can not do anything on people's feeling. I only know starting a proxy war against Russia, engaged in national building of Ukraine, expanding NATO.... are not our national interests.

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He used strong arm tactics to squelch the effort to find the truth. That is what VF's focus is finally on as well.

There are STILL those trying to present misinterpreted data and false data to try to hide the Chinese lab source of COVID, but that isn't even the point of this article. Fauci is a liar and he misled the public on purpose. Fauci was never about allowing real scientific investigation, he is a political hack. He used his power and influence to squelch all investigation into the topic, and he attempted to ruin those who spoke up.

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… he would always feel obligated to post a WH spin response to everything that made the liberal agenda or leaders look bad, The post and links were usually not actually applicable, or misrepresented, or false, or out of date.
He knows that I ignore him now, so he probably feels he can post with the comfort of always getting the last word, and hopes thst people will forget. I just figure his deception will be obvious to all.

along with linked justifications...then you can explain why you disagree or maybe even acknowledge some acceptance...just a simple dialogue...sounds easy to me...let's move forward.

While I don't see any reason for you (or anyone) to employ the "Ignore" feature this site has, you obviously do...if you'd like to keep the reason between the two of us, just use Bmail and it will remain that way...or, you could just start addressing me directly....meanwhile, when I see you post something I disagree with, I'm going to exercise my right as a member of the UHND Open Forum to post about it...and as you know, I always provide reasons for those opinions...no guessing required on your part.

Now, for this particular thread, we're still at "Square One"...Chinese researchers deleted some of their "Pre-Print" data...as publishing researchers are absolutely allowed to do...and Dr. Bloom is still miffed by that...but Dr. Fauci had nothing to do with any unethical "Squashing" of information...furthermore, as I've posted more than once, it was Dr. Fauci who...2 days after China released the COVID-19 genome (Jan. 11, 2020), he "fast tracked" Moderna's m-1273 vaccine "design" into Phase 1 testing...because he was so 'On Top' of the science and bureaucratic processes...he's NOT your "Boggie Man" in all this....AND, we still don't know (no thanks to China) how COVID-19 came to be.

rarely respond to the doofus. Waste of time

....and he offers up a weak argument for that...but there he goes off and running away from the scandal that even Vanity Fair thought worthy of publication.

He is a most disingenuous propagandist.

I'm totally ready to go back and forth with you, letting the truth come out for all to see...but you don't want to...why is that?

Mark, we need to pull the "Ignore" feature from this site...it's being abused...as you can see.

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