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Now we are bragging about helping the Ukrainians sink the Moskva.

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 7:14 pm on May 5, 2022
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STFU, Austin. Really dumb.

If this were done by the Russians against us, and bragged about, we’d consider it an act of war. I have no problem helping the Ukraine. Just shut the fuck up you dumb morons.


Link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-intel-helped-ukraine-sink-russian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

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Thread Level: 2

“Bragging”? Though this report is confounding in that some “US Oficials”

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 7:30 am on May 6, 2022
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went on record with a news agency to say US intelligence assisted in taking out a Russian destroyer, it’s hardly bragging.

In fact this is also in the article -

“In a statement released after this story was published, Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said the U.S. did not provide Ukraine with "specific targeting information for the Moskva."

"We were not involved in the Ukrainians’ decision to strike the ship or in the operation they carried out," Kirby added. "We had no prior knowledge of Ukraine’s intent to target the ship. The Ukrainians have their own intelligence capabilities to track and target Russian naval vessels, as they did in this case."


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 2

I agree we shouldn’t brag about this. But Putin already knows.

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:05 pm on May 5, 2022
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Yes, but Putin's actual knowledge, or actually just his suspicions, are beside the point.

Author: NedoftheHill (44672 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:11 pm on May 5, 2022
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Public knowledge is an issue here. No possible benefit for public knowledge, but some possible negative impact, by making it easier for Putin to justify escalation.

Everyone may "know" (those are real quotes, to imply not really know, but suspect) that a defendant is guilty, but the defendant should still make the prosecutor present his case.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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There is one benefit I can think of …politically

Author: BaronVonZemo (59928 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:48 pm on May 5, 2022
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Best not to hand a causus belli or propaganda coup on a silver platter.

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 8:15 pm on May 5, 2022
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Plausible deniability is underrated

Thread Level: 5

It is odd. I bet there is more going on than we know.

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:04 pm on May 5, 2022
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At least you are fair, and you would have given Trump the same benefit of the doubt. ;-)

Author: NedoftheHill (44672 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:35 pm on May 5, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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This is old news to the Russians...see excerpt from your own link...the U.S. just ID'd the ship...

Author: TyroneIrish (20446 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:04 pm on May 5, 2022
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"The U.S. did not know in advance that Ukraine was going to target the Moskva, officials said, and was not involved in the decision to strike. Maritime intelligence is shared with Ukraine to help it defend against attack from Russian ships, officials added.

The U.S. role in the sinking has not been previously reported. But NBC News detailed last month how American intelligence shared with Ukraine had been instrumental in Ukraine’s successes to date, including in helping Ukraine target Russian forces and avoid Russian attacks."


Thread Level: 3

You seem to be missing the point here.

Author: NedoftheHill (44672 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:34 am on May 6, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Do tell! You seem to know better the point of bragging or not bragging

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 7:34 am on May 6, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 3

We are so lucky you and Chris can sit in on intelligence meetings and

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:03 pm on May 5, 2022
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get the first hand scoop

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I didn't have to...just needed to read Iggle's link...easy...

Author: TyroneIrish (20446 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:31 pm on May 5, 2022
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Putin is vicious. Why give him an excuse to target America or Americans?

Author: LanceManion (7940 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 7:48 pm on May 5, 2022
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
Thread Level: 3

Vicious? He’s just a man of God protecting his people

Author: Shadow_of_the_Dome (4618 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:49 pm on May 5, 2022
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Link: https://news.yahoo.com/putin-found-god-140954380.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb&tsrc=fb

Thread Level: 4

Sounds like a poster here.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 9:08 pm on May 5, 2022
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All the trappings of spiritual life but his every action runs counter to those beliefs.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
Thread Level: 5

I see what you did there.

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:29 pm on May 5, 2022
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We helped sink the Moskva! Say, about Britney Greiner...?

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 8:49 pm on May 5, 2022
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STFU indeed. WTF is going on. Amateurs are in power. Amazing.

Author: NedoftheHill (44672 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:45 pm on May 5, 2022
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Amateurs...but they could end up getting Americans killed. And maybe a lot of them. The stakes are pretty high.

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