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RIP...Mark Shields...ND Alum and noted Political Commentator...blessed with Irish humor...

Author: TyroneIrish (20476 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:49 pm on Jun 18, 2022
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Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/18/us/politics/mark-shields-dead.html

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Thread Level: 2

A Marine, too...MS: "Would not our country be a more just and human place, if...officers eat last?"

Author: TyroneIrish (20476 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:58 pm on Jun 18, 2022
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He attended schools in Weymouth and then the University of Notre Dame, where he majored in philosophy and graduated in 1959. With military conscription looming, he chose in 1960 to enlist in the Marines, emerging in 1962 as a lance corporal. He learned a lot in those two years, he said, including concepts of leadership encapsulated in a Marine tradition of officers not being fed until their subordinates were.

“Would not our country be a more just and human place,” he wrote in 2010, “if the brass of Wall Street and Washington and executive suites believed that ‘officers eat last’?”


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Excellent Tyrone! Terrific pivot by Shields.

Author: conorlarkin (21020 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:58 am on Jun 19, 2022
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Did not know Shields was a Marine.

“Officers eat last” is a great tradition, and a line frequently employed at family and friends gatherings, along with “Today Devil Dogs!!!” in an attempt to get the younger ones through the serving line and seated at the table.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 4

I was curious who Mark Shields was, so I googled him, and up came the editorial with that phrase.

Author: NedoftheHill (44686 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:12 am on Jun 19, 2022
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It was quite the petty and juvenile attack piece. I guess I'm not surprised, since you guys loved him so much. It could have been a pompous larkin or tyrone post, in as much as he seemed to be touting his own moral superiority for petty political gain.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Ned, that quote from Mark Shields had no politics in it at all...it was a wish for all "Leaders", in

Author: TyroneIrish (20476 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:15 pm on Jun 19, 2022
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all aspects of life, to care first for the well-being of those they were responsible for, and not themselves...surely you agree with that sentiment...right?

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Of course you didn't like the piece. You despise sunshine.

Author: conorlarkin (21020 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:35 am on Jun 19, 2022
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Link: https://www.nvdaily.com/opinion/syndicated-columnists/mark-shields-officers-eat-last/article_9506a0cd-2dfd-5cf1-b806-392d7a2f2537.html

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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I'll write a piece about how he is no Army Officer. You will love the sunshine, I'm sure.

Author: NedoftheHill (44686 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:10 pm on Jun 19, 2022
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I'm sure you would think it sophisticated and mature.

Oh, wait, I forgot. You don't judge speech or people or government acts by their own merits. You judge them on how much they help your party gain more political power.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Who would eat first? On Wall Street and in Washington, they all think they are of the 'chosen,'

Author: JarHead4ND (4264 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:18 am on Jun 19, 2022
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by merely working in those environs.

Interesting that when enlisting in 1960 he did not choose to go to OCS, he would have been out in 1963 before Maines were sent to South Vietnam.. He must have had a train to catch.


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No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
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That did seem weird.

Author: NedoftheHill (44686 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:12 am on Jun 19, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Wow! Do you dislike him because he wasn’t a career marine or because

Author: jimbasil (52647 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 3:34 am on Jun 19, 2022
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he was a Democrat?

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Wow, did you read something that I did not write? Where did I mention career Marine or Democrat?

Author: JarHead4ND (4264 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:27 am on Jun 20, 2022
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I am going to assume that you did not serve so starting from that point, and trying to be clear, I was curious why Mr. Shields did not attend OCS because we were one year apart in dates of entry and I am fully aware of what programs were available to him at the time. Had you served or even inquired with a recruiting office, you would have known that.

To be clear, I was not a career Marine but I did serve two tours of twelve months and twenty days each flying combat missions in the RVN, NVN and Laos but as I have posted on this board, after I was honorably discharged from active duty, I flew for a commercial airline and subsequently, after early retirement, I have been practicing law and have a firm with offices in California and North Carolina.

So, not to put too fine a point on it, I was not a career Marine and would not hold anything against Mr. Shields, my Marine brother, a concept that you are unlikely to be familiar with. Perhaps you can BM conor for some insight in that regard. I assume you know that conor is a Marine brother of mine and a Democrat.


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No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
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^^^this^^^

Author: jimbasil (52647 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 12:04 am on Jun 19, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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A guy who could disagree without being disagreeable…a major credit to ND

Author: Chris94 (36757 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:57 pm on Jun 18, 2022
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Thread Level: 3

Says the most disagreeable person on the board

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:05 pm on Jun 19, 2022
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Thread Level: 3

Hmm.... you should learn from him.

Author: Cole (16190 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 4:36 am on Jun 19, 2022
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