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Republicans: Biden made the gas prices high. Also Republicans: Biden repealing gas tax is stupid

Author: Quest4twelve (6465 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 8:26 am on Jun 23, 2022
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The party of complainers just love complaining. There is a reason why Republicans can only refer to the federal land moratorium and Keystone as the reason for high prices.

Just remember that drilling permitting in Biden's first year bested Trump by 34%.


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You base your entire rationale on permit numbers? wow.

Author: IrishMac (1682 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:38 am on Jun 23, 2022
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What company wants to invest money and years into something that the current administration is trying to eliminate? Why should the oil industry want to reduce profits right now if the future is uncertain?

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Explain w/o rhetoric "trying to eliminate"

Author: Quest4twelve (6465 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 10:39 am on Jun 23, 2022
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So if Gas Tax Repeal is good, why don’t you want it to be permanent? Why 3 months?

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:56 am on Jun 23, 2022
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What ever is happening in around 3 months?

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Do some honest research for once, Baron...don't just rely on that fertile mind of yours for

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:34 am on Jun 23, 2022
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creative visions about what is going on in the world around you...

What Chris is telling you is the truth...the real truth and nothing but the truth...but then, that's not something you, and sadly, many others care about.


Link: https://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/summer-fuel.htm

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Think

Author: Chris94 (36444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:05 am on Jun 23, 2022
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It’s the summer driving season. A permanent “holiday” would mean no money for infrastructure.

And surely you are not suggesting that any politician would be happy seeing gas prices rise again in October of an election year.

Think.


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it’s as if electric cars don’t drive on roads. When will charging taxes be implemented that further

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16166 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:41 am on Jun 23, 2022
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drive up the cost of electric cars requiring further subsidies.

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Depends on timing, and Biden isn’t “any politician” now is he? Regarding your explanation of summer

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:24 am on Jun 23, 2022
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Driving cost easement for travelers……”Winter is coming”.

People will need the savings to cover the horrid heating bills to come. You could argue that the tax cut would be more beneficial then. Unless you have other equivalent tax cuts planned, I don’t think it makes sense to argue that this tax cut is being done during the time of higher need.

No, the roughly 3 month time frame is specifically chosen for the election. It will in this way, and we both know it.
BidenHandlers motives are political- short term concession for longer term goals by retaining majority- but it isn’t going to work.

Still, I like the policy if it is made permanent, regardless of the motives.


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Demand rises in summer. Therefore, prices rise in summer.

Author: Chris94 (36444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:26 am on Jun 23, 2022
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Not complicated.

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And so, the plan is to stimulate demand even more.

Author: Iggle (12593 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:33 am on Jun 23, 2022
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Moronic

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Maybe this will help you (see link)...

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:46 am on Jun 23, 2022
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from the article...

"Unfortunately for drivers, gas prices often go up during the summer, starting around Memorial Day.

In May 2022, U.S. consumers are paying an average of $1.50 per gallon more than they were at the same time in 2021, according to AAA. The reasons are many and varied, but two causes are soaring inflation and the fact that many countries, including the U.S., have cut off oil imports from Russia, one of the world's top oil producers, due to the war in Ukraine. This volatility has shaken up the crude oil markets and continues to push prices higher.

But fuel prices typically increase every summer, and some of the reasons are fairly logical. More people traveling, especially on family vacations and road trips, increases demand. Also, in the spring months, energy companies conduct maintenance on their refineries, shutting them down and limiting capacity until late May.

Because of these disruptions, oil supplies can become stretched. In addition, natural disasters, like hurricanes, can increase prices by disrupting transport routes and damaging refineries and other infrastructure.

But did you know that the gasoline sold during the summer is actually different — and more expensive to produce — than that sold in the winter? In this article, we'll take a look at why summer fuel prices are higher, focusing on the annual shift from winter-grade fuel to summer-grade fuel."
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The American public is obviously under stress at the pump, for the reasons noted in the article...and the President is doing what he can to alleviate even more stress that is known to occur every summer.

Why argue against such efforts?...I don't get it.


Link: https://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/summer-fuel.htm

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Everything in that article underscores the moronic stupidity of Biden's "plan"

Author: Iggle (12593 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 11:09 am on Jun 23, 2022
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Care to take a moment and explain why you feel that way?....just a denial is not convincing.

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:07 pm on Jun 23, 2022
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See below explanation for your fellow traveler, Qwesty.

Author: Iggle (12593 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:10 pm on Jun 23, 2022
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So you agree demand is 99% the driving factor in cost?

Author: Quest4twelve (6465 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 9:52 am on Jun 23, 2022
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No. WTF are you talking about?

Author: Iggle (12593 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:57 am on Jun 23, 2022
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You honestly read that and can't figure out what I'm asking you???

Author: Quest4twelve (6465 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 10:03 am on Jun 23, 2022
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I have absolutely no idea what you are asking me.

Author: Iggle (12593 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 10:09 am on Jun 23, 2022
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Nor does anyone else.

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The OG thread topic is about gas prices. You made a comment that the gas tax holiday will increase

Author: Quest4twelve (6465 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 10:27 am on Jun 23, 2022
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demand. Are you with me so far? Econ 101 says high demand drives up price so are you admitting that is what mainly goes into the current high prices?

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Read this slowly and carefully.

Author: Iggle (12593 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 10:52 am on Jun 23, 2022
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The primary problem in the energy market at the moment is constrained supply. A look at inventory levels in oil straight through to distillates tells that story. This, plus the extra demand of the summer driving season has caused higher prices. Rather than addressing the supply situation, the Biden administration is eliminating the gasoline tax. The elimination of this tax is likely to increase demand further since it will have the effect of slightly lowering prices (at first). This is not helpful to the situation in any way other than for Biden to claim he is doing something. When prices inevitably adjust to reflect this increased demand versus the constrained supply, Biden and Granholm will claim that evil refiners pocketed the tax savings. The script is already written for the bullshit we will hear in the coming months.

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First off, you're overlooking Biden's efforts to improve oil supply...e.g. his visit to Saudi Arabia

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:11 pm on Jun 23, 2022
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...during which he'll discuss that issue along with many others that involve U.S. policy in the region (e.g. Iran, Israel, etc.)...for the moment, however, the constrained supply issue is "Baked In" to our high gas prices...so too are the industry's seasonal changes (see my link).

Also, your post led me to call our family business and economist PhDs...their shared comment was that the current situation is "Inelastic"...i.e. in spite of high prices, there are lots of people on the road...some for pleasure, but many because the have to (work, etc.)...so a short term price reduction (tax relief) won't likely spur a countervailing change in demand...that jibed with my thoughts and the reason for calling them.

There's no need for you to be a "Debbie Downer" ;-)...this is a good thing.


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...this guy!

Author: Quest4twelve (6465 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 11:41 am on Jun 23, 2022
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I went against my better judgment and responded to his post. He’s clueless

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 10:16 am on Jun 23, 2022
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Anyone can search your last 10 days of posts and conclude you're an uninformed troll. Don't get me

Author: Quest4twelve (6465 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 10:32 am on Jun 23, 2022
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wrong people can troll as long as they know what they're talking about, you sound outright silly AF.

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Elections happen this Fall. Also not complicated. Is a heating bill tax cut planned for winter?

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:28 am on Jun 23, 2022
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Demand for various commodities rises seasonally, but elections only occur once in a while. This policy has a clear motive. If it’s permanent, you’ve sold me on it.

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post COVID, pre Biden oil shut down. That’s why your statistic specifies first year. Silly.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:49 am on Jun 23, 2022
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That’s IF the number you quote isn’t an outright lie. The technicality of specifying just one small piece of time makes me think it was just cherry-picked rather than lied about.

Regardless, how absurd is it when the MSM tries to lie that production is greater under Biden?


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The true believers are freaking. Bigly.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 8:54 am on Jun 23, 2022
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normally even-keeled Chris is loosing his mind.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Yea they thought they had a savior in Joe.

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 9:12 am on Jun 23, 2022
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$0.18/gal for 3 months is about $32.50. Kinda like getting $0.25 from grandpa on your birthday

Author: LanceManion (7645 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 8:35 am on Jun 23, 2022
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Not intentional at all

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 8:30 am on Jun 23, 2022
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Link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5vpP-B5JaM4

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Campaign stump comment all you got? Remember when Trump said he'd have the best healthcare plan?

Author: Quest4twelve (6465 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 8:46 am on Jun 23, 2022
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But didn't do squat?

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“Whataboutism”. Regardless of being an inadequate, pre-election stunt, I’m for it if it’s permanent.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:51 am on Jun 23, 2022
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But but Trump. Good one. I know it’s disheartening what a failure Joe has been. Don’t worry

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 8:49 am on Jun 23, 2022
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next summer he’ll resign and Kamala will get her chance.

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Good and bad times for comparison, face it I'm right. Talk and policy doesn't always match

Author: Quest4twelve (6465 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 9:25 am on Jun 23, 2022
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You do realise that the vast majority allways see the man in charge as responsible.

Author: Curly1918 (16156 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 8:30 am on Jun 23, 2022
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Jimmy Carter had nothing to do with the creation of OPEC.

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