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The Espionage Act! Ha!

Author: jimbasil (52292 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 4:03 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk

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Tell me jimmy, how does this charge work against the guy who determines what is classified & not?

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:12 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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He hasn’t had that power - which is not absolute - since 1/20/21

Author: Chris94 (36444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:58 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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It is not clear that the President can unilaterally declassify everything, especially nuclear weapons materials. Not sure how it would stand up in court, but there is a law saying he would need the OK from DOE.

But either way, if he had TS stuff in his possession after 1/20/21, then he was in violation.

It is a mystery about why he would, or what stuff he took. Obviously.

It will all be revealed in due time.


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Yeah, he had documents on nuclear weapons material. Sure.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 7:07 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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That's a calm measured comment. Guessing this is all starting to sink in now.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 6:27 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Lock him up!!!! inevitably turns into ~~shrug~~ let's see how it plays out. Once this gets into a court room....? Game over.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Throughout and after elections undoubtedly.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 6:07 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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As POTUS, he couldn’t just deem something declassified. Congress and other

Author: jimbasil (52292 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 5:34 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Government entities would need to be involved in order to do so. You have a kindergarten view of a President and classified material.

Most agencies inside the government who deal in high level information held back on giving sensitive information to trump because they viewed him as a high security risk.

Ehem!


You are really lousy at this.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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So who is correct here, you or Chris94? Never mind, saw your response lower down. All good.

Author: JarHead4ND (4247 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:42 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Edit: Added language

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No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
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Yes and No

Author: Chris94 (36444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:02 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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The Prez can declassify almost anything, and Congress has no say in the matter.

There are certain subjects, like nuclear weapons, that are in a different category. “Restricted Data” cannot be declassified, by statute.

Explainer below.


Link: https://twitter.com/wellerstein/status/1558069945820483590?s=21&t=HfHF5lt4K1tgOS0qEyde8Q

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If anything were of the “Restricted Data” category, why would DOJ wait 1 1/2 yrs to get it

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 6:37 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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…..and further when they knew it couldn’t possibly be secure in a private residence?

This is all so clearly planned and targeted. You like it because it ties Trump into court and takes attention from Biden’s & Dem failures. But it is once again, the big lie. There is no level of nefarious activity that you will not rationalize to get rid of Trump….because they told you what to think. Liberalism Rule #3. The ends justify the means.


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I love how you have all the answers

Author: Chris94 (36444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:41 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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No one knows what is going on…except you. You smell the conspiracies and know exactly what is happening.

A little humility might be in order here.

No one outside that loop knows what is going on.


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Odd Chris. i thought I was asking an important question rather than giving and answer-one you must

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 6:54 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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answer. But one that you know will stretch out a good long while like the Russiagate did.

This is quite clearly a strategy that if successful, will be a permanent part of the political playbook from now on.

Trump is likely being truthful, but I get that you won’t believe it. So….let’s look at what we have
DOJ is taking an unprecedented action.
DOJ is doing it at a critical political moment.
DOJ has history of falsifying data in attempt to get same target in past.
DOJ is claiming information is taken is classified, but by guy who decides whether it is classified.
If info is of high level risk category, then DOJ waited a year and a half to act and put country at risk.
DOJ also waited until it was just before an election where it’s party deeply behind in the polls.

I have lots of QUESTIONS Chris. But they are questions all pointing to the same logical answer.


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Nonsense!

Author: jimbasil (52292 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 7:03 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
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Good call. Now do your tribe. They've been equally confident in their statements.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 6:48 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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He is just as nuts as they are. Pathetic after all of the debunked bullshit they believe anything.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 7:09 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Jersey Sucks!
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Ah, nice catch. I had just listened to Neal Katyal and a fmr head of

Author: jimbasil (52292 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:19 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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security under Bush administration. They had just said classified info cannot be declassified through whimsy. Just saying a secret is declassified doesn’t make it so.

I’m seeing there’s not a black and white explanation or a one size fits all.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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That’s true. Trump can’t just say “I declassified it all” and make it so

Author: Chris94 (36444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:22 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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You are wrong about classification, and you describe treason as Trump claimed within govt orgs.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:54 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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No, I’m not.

Author: jimbasil (52292 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:20 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
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Holy crap. Very Stalinque. How many Soviet generals & his colleagues were accused of that by Stalin?

Author: Eli (9473 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:31 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Normal people would be very concerned but not you because

Author: jimbasil (52292 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 4:39 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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you’d rather play the moron. Sad!

Moscow is the place for you. Maybe we can trade you for Griner.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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I know you miss her badly because she couldn't join your national anthem protest.

Author: Eli (9473 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:48 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Thank you for following my post but I still despise you like most here do.

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I wear that as a badge of honor, daily.

Author: jimbasil (52292 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 4:54 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
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A federal judge found probable cause to investigate espionage.

Author: Chris94 (36444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:28 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Gotta admit, I did not see that one coming.

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The DOJ waited 1 1/2 yrs to recover dangerous "nuclear stuff", just before midterms,huh?

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:01 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Like Tim Scott points out: Dems want the issue, not the solution.

Author: NedoftheHill (44305 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:06 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:00 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Might not be as ominous as it sounds - here is language from the espionage act

Author: Chris94 (36444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:36 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Section 793 of the Espionage Act of 1917: "willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States"

Might just be handling of records, not what would popularly be thought of as espionage.


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Better be right.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 4:43 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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If you not, you likely just reelected him with this stunt.

"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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In your bubble, people are pissed off about this

Author: Chris94 (36444 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:50 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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All those people were going to vote Trump anyway.

Outside your bubble, people are much more rational.


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Says the guy on the university campus.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:03 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Maybe you should take a break from here for some time and think before you post again.

Author: jimbasil (52292 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 5:36 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
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Maybe not. Your frustration does confirm the discomfort caused by points that you cannot answer.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58841 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 6:42 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Nonsense.

Author: jimbasil (52292 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:47 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
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Either that, or just throw his degrees in the trash and never set foot on the campus again, for all

Author: TyroneIrish (19697 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:43 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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they are worth to him...what a waste of time...BVZ could have self-taught himself.

Not sure there's much more evidenced needed to classify Baron as "Unhinged".


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Said the professor. Bubble indeed! Pfft. I find this a lot of fun. Be right. For your sake.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 4:56 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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Magistrate. And Epstein's attorney.

Author: Cole (16134 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 4:34 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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They better have the goods this time. Photos of Trump blowing an Area 51 alien on a spaceship...

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 4:14 pm on Aug 12, 2022
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....with Jimmy Hoffa and Lee Harvey Oswald doing blow off Marilyn Monroe's ass in the background. With all kinds of "nuclear stuff" strewn about the alien craft. Midgets dressed as circus freaks bringing plates of food and beverages to him ancient Rome style.

This better be GOOD! To say nothing of the credibility of our federal law enforcement agencies, the liberal posters here had better PRAY they got it right THIS time. Seven years of absolute BULLSHIT have come to nothing. John FUCKING Kennedy better deliver the fucking verdict dressed as Pope John Paul.

If he's guilty....fry his ass! If this is another HOSPITAL SHIP....there ain't enough Bounty Quicker Picker Uppers in the world to wipe the egg off their faces.


"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022
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