Missed our first nine shots. This is all on Brey. His recruits, his team, and he has no answers.

Author: garryowen (2107 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 6:05 pm on Jan 26, 2019

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Replies to: Missed our first nine shots. This is all on Brey. His recruits, his team, and he has no answers.


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What are the one or two things he can learn from McGraw?

Author: MAS (11176 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:12 pm on Jan 27, 2019

Why is it, do you reckon, that none of the fabulous women's basketball coaches ever get hired to coach the men? Is it, as subwaytom would argue, the internalized misogyny of college administrators, or is it that there is no comparison between coaching women's basketball and men's basketball?

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Re: What are the one or two things he can learn from McGraw?

Author: garryowen (2107 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 3:24 pm on Jan 27, 2019

Recruiting and coaching.

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"Recruiting and coaching."

Author: MAS (11176 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:04 pm on Jan 27, 2019

I see you're quite knowledgable.

McGraw has to recruit against a handful of other top programs because with any women's sport, there is a small percentage of athletic, skilled female athletes, and those few are spread between a few programs. Brey has tom compete with innumerable programs and the whole recruiting scene for the men's game is 200 times more intense. I have my criticisms of Brey's recruiting, but comparisons to the women's game are ludicrous.

You provide no specifics about "coaching."

Do you think McGraw would do a better job with the men's team than Brey? I'm asking you to answer this as you really think, not posturing because it appears "enlightened" to spout out ridiculous statements about the women's game being better than the men's game.

Why do you think these great women's coaches never get hired to coach the men?


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Re: "Recruiting and coaching."

Author: garryowen (2107 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 4:42 pm on Jan 27, 2019

I believe you have misunderstood me . I never said the women’s program was better than the men’s, but Muffet’s record speaks for itself.She has had a better run in her program. As far as coaching goes, too many time I have seen Brey’s team blow the final shot in a close game. Brey is adequate, but in my opinion, that is about it.

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Throw out some plausible replacements.

Author: MAS (11176 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:49 pm on Jan 27, 2019

At this point, Coach Fran moving from Iowa to ND would be unlikely in my opinion. That's, at best, a lateral move. Tim Miles has said before his dream job is ND, but he may get fired at Nebraska. After those guys, you're on to up-and-comers or lesser-known coaches or retreads.

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You are exactly right as we have tried to explain about recruiting so many times. They don't have

Author: THEISMANCARR (9219 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 4:21 pm on Jan 27, 2019

one and dones in the womens' game and they are competing against maybe 5 programs.

The one that really got me one time was that someone said they think our women's team could take the men's team straight up. What a joke! They use men in practice to make them better and tougher players but none of those men would make our mens' team.

As far as coaching, Brey is an excellent game coach and has beaten way more talented teams many times. McGraw has to only face one team more talented some years, that being Connecticut and one year Baylor.


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Re: You are exactly right as we have tried to explain about recruiting so many times. They don't have

Author: garryowen (2107 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 4:35 pm on Jan 27, 2019

I do not think you give Muffet enough credit. To maintain her continued level of success is due to her hard work, and not just to a lack of competition.. As for Brey, there is always some excuse, facilities, academics, etc.etc.etc. I wish I was wrong, but Let me point out again, how many final fours and elite eight’s have we been too? And no, I do not think Brey is a very good in game coach. Our postseason record speakes for itself.

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She's an exceptional women's coach.

Author: MAS (11176 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:47 pm on Jan 27, 2019

That is completely different than dealing with everything you have to contend with in the men's game.

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Brey’s slovenly appearance indicates he thinks he has a free pass this year.

Author: Aragoto (1841 Posts - Joined: May 14, 2018)

Posted at 10:15 pm on Jan 26, 2019

He dresses like a pure slob. His team is a reflection of his slovenly coaching style. He is currently half-assed.

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I agree with you on his appearance.

Author: THEISMANCARR (9219 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 4:21 pm on Jan 27, 2019

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If Brey would just shave and wear a tie, things would be different!

Author: MAS (11176 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:15 pm on Jan 27, 2019

Brilliant!

I take it you were against hiring Majerus twenty years ago for this same reason?

This board is mind-numbing, between the "Why can't Brey be more like McGraw" geniuses and tripe like this. Astounding.


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Re: If Brey would just shave and wear a tie, things would be different!

Author: NDSoxfan (4236 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:07 pm on Jan 27, 2019

It shows a lack of attention to detail in his life. Catastrophic in coaching. Leahy, Parseghian, Holtz, Saban were/are stickers for detail.

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Re: If Brey would just shave and wear a tie, things would be different!

Author: garryowen (2107 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 3:30 pm on Jan 27, 2019

If Brey would just advance in the tournament on a regular basis, things would be different.How many sweet sixteens and elite eights has he been to?

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Like MAs and I have been stressing the number of competitive, plus more talented teams in the mens'

Author: THEISMANCARR (9219 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Jan 27, 2019

game is like 50 to 5.

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Re: Brey’s slovenly appearance indicates he thinks he has a free pass this year.

Author: NDSoxfan (4236 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:19 am on Jan 27, 2019

I completely agree

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I know its a football school, but his continued "getting a pass"

Author: cubsfanin16 (656 Posts - Joined: Aug 25, 2016)

Posted at 1:32 pm on Jan 27, 2019

is problematic..WHY? THis team is godawful..Other than Mooney, Im not sure I'd be thinking of anyone else as starter next yr..


Does ND NOT aspire for basketball greatness? Yesterday during the game, the TV flashed the accomplishments of Jay Wright at Villanova, Mark Pew at Gonzaga, Tony Bennett at UVA,,All coaching AT SCHOOLS WITH STRONG ACADEMICS, their winning % were all in the .800s..Not sure if it encompassed their entire career, but very telling..

Does ND not want this..It just may be time for a search for a Wright, Bennet, Pew, at least a new face to rejuvenate the program..THis program seems stale..


Thread Level: 5

Throw out some realistic names.

Author: MAS (11176 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:13 pm on Jan 27, 2019

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I dont follow college basketball anywhere near closely enough to do that, BUT

Author: cubsfanin16 (656 Posts - Joined: Aug 25, 2016)

Posted at 12:58 pm on Jan 28, 2019

I would think, with over 300 schools playing div 1 basketball, any competent AD worth his salt, could identify at least 10 coaches on the "up and coming" list, in the same manner that Villanova identified Jay Wright..THis isn't football wherE you have only 120 some teams playing, and guys like Saban, Meyer clearly were 1 and 2..

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With respect, he looks like a used car salesman.

Author: garryowen (2107 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 11:46 pm on Jan 26, 2019

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