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The absolute minimum number of losses next season seems to be 4.

AlbanyIRISH 27261 posts Original UHND Member

Posted11:45 am on Jan 10, 2017

Which is dog shit. That being said, will ND wrap another mediocre season like that has an improvement under Kelly? That might not even come into play, as 4 losses feels like a longshot (I see 6).

S02 TEMPLE
S09 GEORGIA
S16 @ Boston College
S23 @ Michigan State
S30 MIAMI(OH)
O07 @ North Carolina
O21 SOUTHERN CAL
O28 NORTH CAROLINA STATE
N04 WAKE FOREST
N11 @ Miami(FL)
N18 NAVY
N25 @ Stanford

Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability

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What about October & November??

OHIrish3549 posts 2:18 pm on Jan 11, 2017

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We will be uNDefeated until we lose -- "Berra"

ND5219884 posts 5:21 pm on Jan 10, 2017

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God may not care who wins, but His mother does

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I see 8 or 9 losses on that list starting with the first four games.

jimbasil55220 posts 4:51 pm on Jan 10, 2017

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and Jane, she is a clerk

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  You had predicted 8 wins this year in the pre-season thread. Only one lower prediction at 7
  
  Shadow_of_the_Dome4859 posts 7:45 pm on Jan 10, 2017
  
  So you saw some of this coming, but not the extent.
  If the pre-season prediction thread were to be done today, I would probably go with 7 wins in 2017 (or what I think is the bare minimum for Kelly to be back in 2018)
  
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I think the season hinges on the Georgia game

ImWearingJeanShorts4840 posts 2:59 pm on Jan 10, 2017

Because of the confidence that game will either instill or take away.
Beat Georgia, and confidence should be sky high and carry them to a 5-0 or 4-1 record. A good start like that will likely get them to 8 or 9 wins by season's end. If they win 9, I can honestly say Kelly deserves to keep his job.
If they lose to Georgia, I see shit spiraling out of control real fast because at 1-1 their confidence will be shot (ND teams always have fragile psyches) and with the challenging road games that immediately follow, they will probably have another 5-7 season. But then it's bye bye Kelly, which is a long-term positive.
I think they lose to Georgia, by the way, meaning 5-7 or 6-6 is most likely.

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

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  I think it is Temple...
  
  pvm71793 posts 10:17 pm on Jan 10, 2017
  
  this game will set the tone for another 4-8 season
  
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  For me it is MSU
  
  ND_in_DRO3958 posts 3:42 pm on Jan 10, 2017
  
  Mostly b/c I don't expect ND to beat UGA. I expect wins over Temple and BC. Losing the MSU game would put Kelly on instant lame duck status for the rest of the year. As we saw in 2009, that's not a good thing.
  
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  Oppps
  
  (unknown user) 3:39 pm on Jan 10, 2017
  
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    Re: While I tend to agree with this prognosis...
    
    (unknown user) 3:40 pm on Jan 10, 2017
    
    I was so wrong about this year that I am open to being surprised.
    
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Mandel has 5 ND opponents in his Too Early Top 25

Shadow_of_the_Dome4859 posts 1:46 pm on Jan 10, 2017

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Link: http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/gallery/preseason-top-25-rankings-2017-alabama-clemson-011017

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Considering the strength of schedule this year...

LanceHarbor14343 posts 12:55 pm on Jan 10, 2017

2016 may be the worst season in ND history.
And people on this board think position coaches will a damn bit of difference

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  It's too bad Notre Dame can't just concede the 2017 season now
  
  Frankie V7291 posts 2:51 pm on Jan 10, 2017
  
  And avoid this further embarrassment.
  
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    Drama doesn't suit you.
    
    LanceHarbor14343 posts 3:11 pm on Jan 10, 2017
    
    Not that it would get me much time back since I watched the least amount of ND football this year that I have in my life.
    But I look forward to an 8-4 season with everyone talking about the 4 win improvement.
    
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      8-4 would be one of the worst seasons in the history of the program?
      
      Frankie V7291 posts 3:21 pm on Jan 10, 2017
      
      I think most here would feel that 8-4 would/should lead to a coaching change.
      Most wanted a change this year (myself included) but we didn't get one. No one is happy with where Notre Dame is at right now, but we get 12-14 Notre Dame games a year to look forward to. Nine months out, I myself will try to find some positives so that I have something to look forward to.
      
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        Huh? 2016 was one of the worst teams in school history. My 8-4 comment was about 2017.
        
        LanceHarbor14343 posts 3:56 pm on Jan 10, 2017
        
        And I look forward to good ND football, not bad ND football or purgatory.
        With 2 kids now, I doubt I will watch any games unless they are at night and the kids are in bed.
        
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        Misread, thought it said 2017 may be the worst ever
        
        Frankie V7291 posts 4:33 pm on Jan 10, 2017
        
        Agree that 2016 is close to the worst but personally still think 2007 is worse because most of those games weren't even competitive.
        
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        8-4 in 2017 would completely suck. No reason with competent coaching to go 10-2 at worst.
        
        MarkHarman8082 posts 4:07 pm on Jan 10, 2017
        
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        I've been waiting weeks on the Open for a response from you.
        
        LanceHarbor14343 posts 4:14 pm on Jan 10, 2017
        
        But you have conveniently ignored me.
        
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        I already answered this, but I guess I'll have to do it again.
        
        MarkHarman8082 posts 8:35 pm on Jan 10, 2017
        
        I said a certain number of terrorist acts are sure to be committed by those we let into the country. I never said they would be numerous. A simple search confirms this.
        
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        Here is the link: "We've already seen it on multiple occasions."
        
        LanceHarbor14343 posts 9:13 pm on Jan 10, 2017
        
        Care to explain the occasions?
        Link: Still waiting.
        
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        You said there were numerous that were already committed.
        
        LanceHarbor14343 posts 9:09 pm on Jan 10, 2017
        
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  The worst job of coaching, for certain
  
  ndunabomber7272 posts 1:08 pm on Jan 10, 2017
  
  2007's season is barely worse, when looking at pure W / L, but there was no way that team would have done any better than 4-5 wins, even with a Nick Saban at the helm. That team's junior and senior depth was non-existent.
  2016's team, by all rights, had the personnel to get at least 9 wins, but somehow found ways for the defense and special teams to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory during most of those losses.
  
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    I beg to differ that Nick Saban couldn't have won 5 games for Notre Dame in 2007
    
    Frankie V7291 posts 2:50 pm on Jan 10, 2017
    
    The 2007 schedule was no gauntlet and one of the biggest reasons that team was so awful was because we wasted how much time trying to learn the spread offense only to scrap it in week 2. The 2007 season was lost in March of that year. There was a lack of a depth in the junior and senior classes, but there was enough talent on that roster to win more than 3 games.
    
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      Agreed.
      
      ND_in_DRO3958 posts 3:40 pm on Jan 10, 2017
      
      Its one thing to have an inexperienced team. Its another to have an inexperienced team that spends all offseason learning a new offense, only to scrap it after 1 game. ND should have won at least 5 games that year with competent coaching.
      
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2017 looks to be a much tougher schedule on paper.

ND_in_DRO3958 posts 11:51 am on Jan 10, 2017

That's perhaps the most maddening thing about the 4-8 season....it happened against the easiest schedule ND has played since probably Ara was coach.

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