Perspective: remember the term 'clemsoning'?

Author: Nigel Tufnel (4340 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:22 am on Jan 8, 2019

It wasn't long ago that Clemson was derided for failing to show up on the big stage, for flaming out spectacularly.

Things change very quickly in the world of collegiate athletics. Knee-jerk reactions to single games or single seasons are usually proven wrong.

I like the trajectory of ND football.


Link: Clemsoning

Replies to: Perspective: remember the term 'clemsoning'?


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They did go 35 years from ‘81, their first to their second NC in 2016

Author: PBHangingChad (6500 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:47 am on Jan 8, 2019

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Clemson's "embarrassment of riches" with top talent didn't really kick off until 2015.

Author: NDavenue (3086 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:36 am on Jan 8, 2019

One player (Deshaun Watson) put them in a position to compete with the best and subsequently get rolling with recruiting. It's a little more complex than that, but the point is that things can change quickly.

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Got to keep knocking on the door

Author: NDNEIL (5476 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:48 am on Jan 8, 2019

If ND does that, things will fall into place and the program will get to where we want it.

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There is no other reasonable choice.

Author: NDavenue (3086 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:12 pm on Jan 8, 2019

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Certainly agree. Only way to go...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (16915 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:52 am on Jan 8, 2019

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I remember when Alabama sucked too. Amazing what PED's and no academic standards will do...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (16915 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:27 am on Jan 8, 2019

...for a program. Toss in a decent head coach who can recruit and you're off to the races.

The path to success is clear...and has been for some time now.


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Sounds like sour grapes

Author: Nigel Tufnel (4340 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:18 am on Jan 8, 2019

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Sounds like reality. Sour grapes as to what...because I think colleges should do a better job?

Author: TakethetrainKnute (16915 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:32 am on Jan 8, 2019

Long in advance, I've said the system is sad. This is separate from ND and what it can or can not achieve.

Let's pretend three Clemson players in a small sampling didn't just get popped for Ostarine. How many would have tested positive if the whole team was tested?

Not much mention that Clemson ran a dirty program this year.

Success is the greatest perfume and it will be swept under the rug for the most part. Guess we should pretend other schools should follow their "model".

I'm sure most will...


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You may be right about that....we will never know

Author: WoodstockIrish (9737 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:00 am on Jan 8, 2019

But you also could be wrong

And for now it sounds like sour grapes

Which is what college football is used to hearing from ND fans....a lot of whining


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Sorry...but it's a point about college football independent of ND.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (16915 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:18 am on Jan 8, 2019

May never know what? That Clemson's players tested positive for Ostarine?

I haven't said ND would beat them without the Ostarine? I'm saying it's a shitty model.

That colleges should be about student-athletes not athlete-students?

Again the comment was about the Clemson "model". I'm not naïve and don't think college athletics will actually be run properly...just that it should.

Interesting to have a topic brought up and then say that honest commentary about it is whining...


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You specifically called out Alabama

Author: WoodstockIrish (9737 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:27 am on Jan 9, 2019

So I think it was more than just College football in general

And many folks on here are claiming everyone at Clemson must be on PEDs too

But when I accuse many of making excuses they all deny it

TCarr keeps droning on and on about what some fucking NFL official said in a tweet and that is why we lost

But dont worry, no one here is making excuses


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Why do you always whine

Author: whatsamataU (16437 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:57 am on Jan 8, 2019

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What the fuck are you talking about?

Author: TakethetrainKnute (16915 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:59 am on Jan 8, 2019

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That's good since it was less than 12 hours ago.

Author: iairishcheeks (9950 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:36 am on Jan 8, 2019

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Wasn't going to speak for anyone else. Can you say "Mike Shula"?

Author: TakethetrainKnute (16915 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:45 am on Jan 8, 2019

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