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Perspective: remember the term 'clemsoning'?

Nigel Tufnel 8462 posts Original UHND Member

Posted8:22 am on Jan 8, 2019

It wasn't long ago that Clemson was derided for failing to show up on the big stage, for flaming out spectacularly.

Things change very quickly in the world of collegiate athletics. Knee-jerk reactions to single games or single seasons are usually proven wrong.

I like the trajectory of ND football.

Link: Clemsoning

'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer

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They did go 35 years from ‘81, their first to their second NC in 2016

PBHangingChad 15790 posts 8:47 am on Jan 8, 2019

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Clemson's "embarrassment of riches" with top talent didn't really kick off until 2015.

NDavenue 7489 posts 8:36 am on Jan 8, 2019

One player (Deshaun Watson) put them in a position to compete with the best and subsequently get rolling with recruiting. It's a little more complex than that, but the point is that things can change quickly.
I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.

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  Got to keep knocking on the door
  
  NDNEIL 7683 posts 10:48 am on Jan 8, 2019
  
  If ND does that, things will fall into place and the program will get to where we want it.
  
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    There is no other reasonable choice.
    
    NDavenue 7489 posts 12:12 pm on Jan 8, 2019
    
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    I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
    
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    Certainly agree. Only way to go...
    
    TakethetrainKnute 35765 posts 10:52 am on Jan 8, 2019
    
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I remember when Alabama sucked too. Amazing what PED's and no academic standards will do...

TakethetrainKnute 35765 posts 8:27 am on Jan 8, 2019

...for a program. Toss in a decent head coach who can recruit and you're off to the races.

The path to success is clear...and has been for some time now.

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  Sounds like sour grapes
  
  Nigel Tufnel OP8462 posts 9:18 am on Jan 8, 2019
  
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  'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
  
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    Sounds like reality. Sour grapes as to what...because I think colleges should do a better job?
    
    TakethetrainKnute 35765 posts 9:32 am on Jan 8, 2019
    
    Long in advance, I've said the system is sad. This is separate from ND and what it can or can not achieve.
    
    Let's pretend three Clemson players in a small sampling didn't just get popped for Ostarine. How many would have tested positive if the whole team was tested?
    
    Not much mention that Clemson ran a dirty program this year.
    
    Success is the greatest perfume and it will be swept under the rug for the most part. Guess we should pretend other schools should follow their "model".
    
    I'm sure most will...
    
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      You may be right about that....we will never know
      
      WoodstockIrish 15197 posts 11:00 am on Jan 8, 2019
      
      But you also could be wrong
      
      And for now it sounds like sour grapes
      
      Which is what college football is used to hearing from ND fans....a lot of whining
      
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        Sorry...but it's a point about college football independent of ND.
        
        TakethetrainKnute 35765 posts 11:18 am on Jan 8, 2019
        
        May never know what? That Clemson's players tested positive for Ostarine?
        
        I haven't said ND would beat them without the Ostarine? I'm saying it's a shitty model.
        
        That colleges should be about student-athletes not athlete-students?
        
        Again the comment was about the Clemson "model". I'm not naïve and don't think college athletics will actually be run properly...just that it should.
        
        Interesting to have a topic brought up and then say that honest commentary about it is whining...
        
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        You specifically called out Alabama
        
        WoodstockIrish 15197 posts 11:27 am on Jan 9, 2019
        
        So I think it was more than just College football in general
        
        And many folks on here are claiming everyone at Clemson must be on PEDs too
        
        But when I accuse many of making excuses they all deny it
        
        TCarr keeps droning on and on about what some fucking NFL official said in a tweet and that is why we lost
        
        But dont worry, no one here is making excuses
        
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  Why do you always whine
  
  whatsamataU 25966 posts 8:57 am on Jan 8, 2019
  
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    What the fuck are you talking about?
    
    TakethetrainKnute 35765 posts 8:59 am on Jan 8, 2019
    
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  That's good since it was less than 12 hours ago.
  
  iairishcheeks 30442 posts 8:36 am on Jan 8, 2019
  
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    Wasn't going to speak for anyone else. Can you say "Mike Shula"?
    
    TakethetrainKnute 35765 posts 8:45 am on Jan 8, 2019
    
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