Someone wake me up when ND gets a top tier QB? A little more talented than Tommy and Ian

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:26 pm on May 26, 2019

Like them both got a lot of heart and determination but can’t lead the team to the next level. Every other recruit is important is a solid plus but without the QB it’s close but no cigar.

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PB I generally like what you have to say but I think with a little luck, Book has enough to

Author: THEISMANCARR (9486 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 8:26 am on May 29, 2019

get us a championship. Getting there is toughest part year after year but I think he can get us there, and like I said with a little luck it can happen.

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I like Book a lot, he earned the starting position clearly. Whether he wins a NC won’t be his fault.

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:36 am on May 29, 2019

He has shown the ability to perform on the field over so-called more physically gifted and higher rated QB’s. Can’t measure heart. Who knew Drew Brees would have been as great?

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Why didn't you live up to your high school poster ranking?

Author: 565 Zahm Hall (202 Posts - Joined: Sep 2, 2017)

Posted at 9:02 pm on May 28, 2019

If you had half the heart of THEISMANCARR you'd have made All American by now.

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Hah! So true, big heart, little talent.

Author: THEISMANCARR (9486 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 8:22 am on May 29, 2019

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^^^^^^ Well done ^^^^^

Author: Irish_Demon (1380 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:50 pm on May 28, 2019

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So you sleep in the communal bed with the other posters on this board. Brave man.

Author: BaronVonZemo (24054 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:50 pm on May 28, 2019

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Never, I have been accused of being inhospitable to certain posters. Don’t know why?

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:55 pm on May 28, 2019

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If nothing else you instigated quite a few replies!

Author: whatsamataU (16425 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:29 pm on May 28, 2019

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What else did he toss this grenade for? He pipes the tune, they do the dance.

Author: murph78 (662 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:55 pm on May 28, 2019

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Imagine that, who would have thought.

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:49 pm on May 28, 2019

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Seems I hurt some feelings about QB play. Scoring only 3 points I was foolish to blame the QB

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:36 pm on May 28, 2019

If you consider the dropped balls, poor pass plays, and the Clemson rush all night, Book did better than average at 17-34 in pass plays for 160 yards. Clemson’s line was huge and lack of protection closed many passing lanes. And with the ND rushing attack gaining only 88 yards it was up to Book to win the game. Not fair to put the blame on him.

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Ever think of becoming a volunteer recruiter?

Author: OHIrish (3201 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:26 pm on May 28, 2019

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I think Ian Book is tremendously talented. Very accurate, very athletic and very smart. Makes plays

Author: THEISMANCARR (9486 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 11:16 am on May 28, 2019

with his legs and is a very steady passer who makes the right pass a very high percentage of the time. Nobody does it all the time. To sum it up he is VERY good.

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Complete Agreeance

Author: ColeyO (984 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:42 pm on May 28, 2019

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Book's heighth worried me. But he took all doubt away immediately

Author: OHIrish (3201 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:24 pm on May 28, 2019

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The off-season always seems to bring out the morons

Author: Nigel Tufnel (4299 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:38 pm on May 27, 2019

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what an idiot

Author: DonMiller (735 Posts - Joined: Dec 20, 2016)

Posted at 10:45 pm on May 27, 2019

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Re: Someone wake me up when ND gets a top tier QB? A little more talented than Tommy and Ian

Author: jonpaultoo (92 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:29 pm on May 27, 2019

I wish they would get a top tier coach.

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At this point, Brian Kelly has proven to be a top tier coach

Author: ndunabomber (2465 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:19 pm on May 28, 2019

He's not at the top of the pyramid, since that space is occupied by coaches the likes of Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney, but aside from that disastrous 2016 season, he's been on a pretty good consistent roll, and I see no reason why 2019 shouldn't be at least in that ballpark either. We're consistently getting quality talent, and developing them decently.

I honestly believe that he's finally evolved into the coach that we had hoped he would become, that he finally realized the limitations of people who were holding back this program (Van Gorder, Longo), and made some excellent choices in replacing them.

We're not at the point where we would be on relatively equal footing as the Crimson Tide or the Tigers, but if we can sustain this level of success, then the best recruits will give us a more serious look. It's going to take at least a couple more years, though.


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You are wrong too. Two undefeated regular seasons in this day and age should tell you so. Clemson,

Author: THEISMANCARR (9486 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 11:19 am on May 28, 2019

Alabama, Ohio State and Oklahoma are all more talented than we are and only one of them went undefeated last year and very few times have they gone undefeated.

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Like Brady, Jimmy or DeShone ?

Author: ND521 (3222 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 11:39 pm on May 26, 2019

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Liked all three but how many NC games did they play in? And what NFL team as QB?

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:44 pm on May 26, 2019

Go back to “The Open” where you belong.

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I say it all the time and I'll say it again: the dumbest argument in sports.

Author: MAS (11472 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:40 pm on May 27, 2019

Measuring an individual player in a team sport by that team's wins and losses. Stupid.

Walter Payton really stunk most of his career, didn't he?


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Except the QB is the most critical position on the team. It can cover up a lot of weakness

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:13 pm on May 27, 2019

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A lot, not all

Author: NDNEIL (5476 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:17 pm on May 27, 2019

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Jake Coker, Cardale, McCarron 2x, McElroy, Tebow, Matt Flynn & Chris Leak really lit up on Sundays

Author: ND521 (3222 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:17 am on May 27, 2019

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Had Trump decided to play football he would have been the best QB ever!

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:20 am on May 27, 2019

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Obese people with bone spurs are usually at a disadvantage in sports.

Author: Rooster (2924 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:58 am on May 28, 2019

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Your football posts are a study in the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Author: ND521 (3222 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:22 am on May 27, 2019

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Funny, you’re much better over at the Open you are almost cogent, barely

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:26 am on May 27, 2019

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C'mon, wear your Chaminade (HI) JV hoops windbreaker with pride.

Author: ND521 (3222 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:30 am on May 27, 2019

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Do you write this shit down? All I know is you don’t like Palm Beach and Porsche’s. Move on man.

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:37 am on May 27, 2019

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Says the one who remembers I traded a Porsche for the early Tesla ?

Author: ND521 (3222 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:44 am on May 27, 2019

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All three played in the NFL.

Author: Napoleon (2775 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 1:11 am on May 27, 2019

Many great QBs never played in a NC game. Kyler Murray for example. Mahomes. Many QBs who played in NC games never sniffed the NFL. Tony Rice and Golson, for example. Some outstanding college QBs never did either of those things, . . Kevin McDougal, for example. Seems like you are just venting about ND not winning a NC. We’re all bummed about that. But ND has recruited highly rated QBs, . . some haven’t panned out and some lesser rated ones have turned out pretty good. Would we all like to get a Lawrence to ND? Sure. But those guys are few and far between. For every Lawrence, there is a Blake Barnett. To get a great college QB, you have to recruit well and be a little lucky. Jurkovec was the #4 rated dual threat QB. Top tier recruit, for sure. Will he pan out? Hope so. Hope he’s a Kyler, not a Blake. Will ND’s 2021 QB (who is a top 100 recruit overall) be the next Montana? Maybe. Or maybe not.

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You are right. It’s always a diamond in the rough. Would be nice to hit one out of the rough.

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:23 am on May 27, 2019

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Not what I said.

Author: Napoleon (2775 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 9:51 am on May 27, 2019

I have no idea what you are trying to do here.

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Clausen was the consensus #1 HS QB in the country; top ranked overall player on some services.

Author: ND521 (3222 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:40 am on May 27, 2019

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He had no OL. Willingham left Weiss 1 offensive lineman in 2 classes.

Author: NedoftheHill (22948 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:05 am on May 30, 2019

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Most overrated QB ever at ND, simply put, didnt win

Author: cubsfanin16 (790 Posts - Joined: Aug 25, 2016)

Posted at 2:47 pm on May 27, 2019

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Wrong. Simply put, he was, at ND, the best Qb since the turn of the century.

Author: NDQuebec (1165 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 7:24 am on May 29, 2019

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Disappointing career. Didn’t live up to lofty expectations. But his JR year was excellent.

Author: Napoleon (2775 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 5:09 pm on May 27, 2019

Completed 68% with 28 TDS and only 4 Ints. The team lost as a team and was the product of a bad HC.

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Bad head coach for sure, maybe I put too much blame on JC, BUT

Author: cubsfanin16 (790 Posts - Joined: Aug 25, 2016)

Posted at 8:59 pm on May 27, 2019

IMO, A ND QB with his talent has to find a way to beat Navy and UCONN at home; I always put a lot of the blame for those 23-21, and 33-30 losses on jimmy..And despite those excellent stats, those losses were in his junior yr, if IM not mistaken..

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He threw for 450 yards against Navy while the team rushed for 60 yards.

Author: Napoleon (2775 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 10:28 pm on May 27, 2019

The D gave up 350 yards rushing to Navy. Against UConn he threw for 330 yards, 2 TDS, and 0 Ints while the D surrendered 230 yards rushing. ND also allowed a KO return for a TD and lost two fumbles against UConn. I think you place too much blame on the QB there.

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Charlie's D did give up 40+ to service academies...

Author: ND521 (3222 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 4:15 pm on May 27, 2019

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Nah I’ll let you sleep

Author: Rocket91 (5135 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:59 pm on May 26, 2019

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Exactly. Who is this d*ck anyway...

Author: Jerseymick (3395 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:20 am on May 27, 2019

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what`s wrong with that other guy? the freshman whom everyone thought was going to start last year?

Author: bakedogg (1708 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:58 pm on May 26, 2019

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He’s a stud but has only been in the system for two years and doesn’t work with the first string

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:00 pm on May 26, 2019

At least that’s what everyone tells me. So in his third year a light will pop on and he’ll be ready. Shampoo, rinse, repeat. If you recruit a stud QB and he’s not starting by the third year you either have a Heisman candidate as a starter or....

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Jurkovec has been at ND less than a year.

Author: Napoleon (2775 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 11:12 pm on May 26, 2019

He is a freshman, and he was not an early enrollee.

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I’m sorry he had an entire season, spring ball, coaching, etc. my mistake. He needs at least another

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:18 pm on May 26, 2019

year.

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We’ll see.

Author: Napoleon (2775 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 11:27 pm on May 26, 2019

Unlike Tua and Lawrence, Jurkovec was not an early enrollee. That makes a big difference. And we are months away from his redshirt freshman season, so we don’t know how he’ll fare. Maybe he’ll need another year. Maybe he wont.

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I fully understand but there wasn’t any doubt with Tua or Lawrence was there?

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:41 pm on May 26, 2019

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Again, those two guys aren’t the norm. Both are exceptional.

Author: Napoleon (2775 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 12:34 am on May 27, 2019

Both were early enrollees and still neither started the season as the starter as a frosh. In fact, Tua didn’t become the starter until his sophomore year. And, yes, there probably was some doubt about whether Tua would start as a soph since the returning starter was still on the team. No doubt Lawrence is the starter going into his second season, but he is awfully special. Hardly the norm. Most college QBs, even ones who become great, have question marks as redshirt freshman. There are few “sure things.”

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Point of reference: the top 2 rated 5* QBs from the class of 2017 didn’t start as freshmen or sophs.

Author: Napoleon (2775 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 12:56 am on May 27, 2019

Using Tua and Lawrence as templates skews any reasonable analysis. Those guys were both exceptional, even by “top tier” QB standards.

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Phil Jurkovec? He's fine. Ian Book is the starter this year. PJ will start in 2020...

Author: Domer From Hell (10741 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:10 pm on May 26, 2019

PJ just needs more time with the 1st team. The kid has everything you want except for experience. He'll be fine.

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I seem to remember Freshman at Bama and UGA coming off the bench with no problem

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:43 pm on May 26, 2019

Maybe ND’s offense is more difficult to learn.

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Those guys at at Bama and Clemson are exceptional. And Tua was the backup his entire Frosh season

Author: Napoleon (2775 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 11:09 pm on May 26, 2019

. . . with the exception of one half. Plenty of great college QBs don’t click as freshmen. Haskins redshirted at OSU as a frosh. Even Kyler Murray barely played as a freshman. Lawrence is a freak of nature. He is not the norm. ND’s ‘20 QB and ‘21 QB are both considered top 10 pro-style QBs, for what it’s worth..

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I hope you are right, nothing would make me happier. But the last 20 years, really? Not one.

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:16 pm on May 26, 2019

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happier??? You mean you get happier than you are now?

Author: Hank the Tank (7072 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:24 pm on May 26, 2019

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Hank I’m only happier when I’m on “The Open” driving them nuts. But ND football makes me happy and

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:37 pm on May 26, 2019

torments me at the same time. The college game is won with top tier QB’s period. It’s like how the NBA has become a league that the best teams can shoot three pointers. Nothing else is as important. The last 10 years at ND and the QB’s should show you that.

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Hope I’m right about what?

Author: Napoleon (2775 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 11:21 pm on May 26, 2019

All I’m doing is pointing out facts. And are you claiming ND hasn’t had a top QB in the last 20 years? Quinn was pretty good for two seasons and Clausen was for one. Both were top recruits. Clausen was an “elite” recruit by any standard.

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You said ND had two top 10 QB’s for ‘20 and ‘21. I hope your right. But let’s call

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:31 pm on May 26, 2019

It like it is Quinn had guts but ND got crushed by tOSU but wasn't all his fault. Clausen never got the chance. Should we go through all the top 10’s since then. Only Golson, who everyone seems to hate got ND at least to the game. I like you hope ND pulls a Montana out of its hat but you must admit all the next great ones over many years didn’t really pan out.

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I was just passing along rankings, per 247.

Author: Napoleon (2775 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 12:24 am on May 27, 2019

I have no idea if either or both will pan out in college. Don’t know if Jurkovec or any of ND’s QBs will be the next Montana, but let’s not forget Montana started his NC season as the #3 QB on the depth chart.

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Book isn't a top tier QB?...

Author: Domer From Hell (10741 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:59 pm on May 26, 2019

The kid made his first start after the 3rd game last season and went undefeated during the regular season. I won't list his stats, but they were among the best of them in the NCAA. We have him for this next season then he's likely gone. PJ is next man in and he has all the tools...he's big, has a gun of an arm, and he can run. What's not to like? If you're one of the fools that puts ANY credence in the spring game, your'e a fool. The spring game was a watered down, glorified scrimmage. The Irish are in good shape for years to come at QB. The heir apparent is either Pyne in the '20 class or more likely Buchner in the '21 class. Both are damn good prospects.

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Do you think Book will play on Sundays?

Author: WoodstockIrish (9719 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:01 pm on Jun 6, 2019

Play, not sit on the bench

I do not. he may not even sit on the bench.

I fully understand what he is saying; we lack top notch QBs.....it is a major inhibitor.

The spring game may be a folly but he looked like crap.....

Not sure the QB position is set for years......

But we all differ in our opinions.


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Keep hope alive, How did the last ten years fare with top tier QB’s?

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:41 pm on May 26, 2019

Don’t get me wrong but as much as I like Ian he’s under sized and doesn’t have a deep game. The kid on the bench should have been good enough by now to be the starter. No? Why is it only ND where freshman and sophomore QB’s need to learn the system?

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Re: Someone wake me up when ND gets a top tier QB? A little more talented than Tommy and Ian

Author: Irishize (75 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 8:02 pm on May 26, 2019

Wake up! PJ is your guy, but please send Kelly a memo to wake him up too.