“Notre Dame Football’s faded Heisman Trophy glory”. Yes it’s been a while but also shows the dip in

Author: whatsamataU (16425 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:57 am on May 29, 2019

Replies to: “Notre Dame Football’s faded Heisman Trophy glory”. Yes it’s been a while but also shows the dip in


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Rocket robbery was the beginning, then the talking heads at ESPN

Author: BTAYLOR21 (2751 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:30 am on May 30, 2019

$HIT ALL OVER ND Saturday after Saturday with their progressive mentality. Here we are 25 years later and look at the state of NCAA. Just a money pit with education not even falling into the top 10 priorities for the sport. The sport will never be the same and I project that by 2024 there will be no more requirements to be a student to play.

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ESPN is the water carrier for the Heisman

Author: D2 (5873 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:06 pm on May 30, 2019

And ESPN has never been a big fan of ND.

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^^^^THIS GUY = KNOWLEDGE^^^^

Author: BTAYLOR21 (2751 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:01 pm on May 30, 2019

So sad, monopolies everywhere in all the things I love.

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They robbed Rocket, and Teo,and they won’t give it to ND again because they are worried how it looks

Author: BaronVonZemo (24054 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 11:06 am on May 29, 2019

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Rocket Robbed

Author: cubster11 (258 Posts - Joined: Sep 10, 2012)

Posted at 12:31 pm on May 29, 2019

Rocket Ismail was 100% robbed. He was far and away the best college player that year, total rob job, I'll never get over that and the "clip" against Colorado that probably cost ND a title.

Teo did not get robbed. He was fairly placed second. Johnny Football was probably THE MOST electric Heisman winner in the last 25 years and absurdly deserving of the award.


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I agree with you, except the phatom clip didn't cost ND a natty.

Author: Irish_Demon (1380 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:04 pm on May 29, 2019

They already had a couple losses that year. One of them late in the year. But it robbed college football fans of the perfect ending to the college career of one of the most electric players ever.

It also allowed a non deserving team to claim the title. Colorado had the infamous 5th down TD against Mizzou that year and should not have been undefeated nor number one.


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Re: I agree with you, except the phatom clip didn't cost ND a natty.

Author: cubster11 (258 Posts - Joined: Sep 10, 2012)

Posted at 1:29 pm on May 30, 2019

If i remember correctly, the AP picked the NC every year at that time (which was a process driven by corruption and favoritism)

Had ND won that game I would be certain the voters would have given them at least a share of the NC that year.. even with 3 losses.


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There was an A.P. and a Coaches' Poll (U.P.I.).

Author: jakers (7906 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:21 pm on May 30, 2019

Georgia Tech won the Coaches' Poll and split the title with Colorado (the A.P. champ). There is a real possibility that the A.P. Poll would have jumped N.D. to #1 had we beaten the Buffaloes.

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That's actually debatable.

Author: jakers (7906 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:04 pm on May 29, 2019

We did indeed have 2 losses, but the A.P. Top 2 through 5 finishers (after C.U.) were Georgia Tech (11-0-1), Miami (10-2), Florida State (10-2), and Washington (10-2).

Had we beaten #1 Colorado in that game, there is zero doubt that we would have been voted ahead of all of the other 2-loss teams. It would have come down to Georgia Tech and us. For whatever reason, the A.P. voters that year just did not seem to have much respect for Georgia Tech. They had them second behind Colorado both before and after their Orange Bowl win over us, despite Colorado having a loss. Our theoretical win over Colorado would have given us victories over 4 Top Ten opponents and 7 Top-25 opponents. Georgia Tech beat a single Top Ten opponent and 4 Top-25 teams. And we would have just beaten the team they had ranked above Tech.

The A.P. voters really, really liked the 1990 Irish team all year long. There is a real chance that a win over Colorado would have given us the A.P. National Championship (the U.P.I. Coaches Poll would have gone to Georgia Tech).


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Re: That's actually debatable.

Author: cubster11 (258 Posts - Joined: Sep 10, 2012)

Posted at 12:51 pm on May 31, 2019

Had the Rocket punt return stood, it would probably go down as the greatest college football moment in history.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqC_Br3cDJg

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Well said.

Author: BaronVonZemo (24054 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:10 am on May 30, 2019

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Nice read. Another consideration is how much money changed college football

Author: PBHangingChad (6283 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:47 am on May 29, 2019

I remember as a child seeing the ND replays on Sunday mornings. No ESPN and there were literally two network football games televised on a Saturday. So, money and TV lead to more exposure for more players on numerous teams around the country. ND enjoyed a long period as the epitome of college football. It doesn’t have that anymore.

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And it doesn’t get the QB’s like OU either.

Author: whatsamataU (16425 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:37 pm on May 29, 2019

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