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They have less top players during that timeframe than ND.....24 versus 35......

This should seriously temper the idea that ND can't recruit top players.....and that we do a decent job of developing them....the #10 ranking is commensurate with where we wind up too...

Alabama, OSU and Clemson are just in another league...and this data shows why it is easy for them to recruit.....they turn 4 and 5 star recruits into NFL players....top NFL players

The rest of the country sees it as just another form of entertainment.

It's a matter of DEVELOPMENT that doesn't happen. How many times has ND during BK eras got the best position player out of hotbeds Florida, Texas, Virginia, California, Georgia...Mckinely (#2 WR in Cali) ESB (#1 WR in Cali), Bryant and Folston (#2 and #4 RBs FL), Austin (#1 WR in FL), Prosise (#2 Safety in VA), Litchfield (#1 Safety in VA), Hamilton (#1 Safety in GA), Ewell (#1 DT in VA), Brock Wright (#1 TE in Texas)...Dexter Williams (#2 RB in FL), Tevon Coney (#2 ILB in FL), Jalen Elliott (#1 Safety in VA) and I could go on. These players are not suppose to leave these areas! How ND gets them is a testament that BK and staff can recruit and this is not to mention guys like Q. Nelson, Alize Jones, Jaylon Smiths and a boat load of top talent from other areas.

The development and production is not there with this amount of talent coming in. And now the fastest kid in the history of the Opening is coming? Another 5* TE and a 5* WR. 3 more 5* talents...

Getting talent to ND is the issue. If the development and production came along ND would get over that hump that Clemson did.

The difference between Tee Higgins/Justyn Ross and Javon McKinley/E.S.B. is NOT failure to develop. Similarly, development isn't what separates Travis Etienne from Tony Jones. Ditto Ian Book and Trevor Lawrence. And not having Bryant, Ferrell, Simmons, and Wilkins in our front 7 on defense wasn't a failure to develop the guys we have.

We get elite offensive linemen and tight ends, sometimes top quarterbacks, and some very good defensive players. But we very rarely have enough of the guys that Alabama, Ohio State, or Clemson are chasing, especially at the skill positions, to hang with those teams for 4 quarters.

The clearest example is what happened with Dexter Williams left. We returned a ton of starters from a very good team, but his absence was quite noticeable in Athens and Ann Arbor. And the year before when we did have him, the lack of any other difference-making skill guys on offense got us exposed against Clemson, who had about 5 to 7 guys as explosive as Williams.

We need to do more than just develop the players better. We also need to get guys like Chris Tyree every year. We have struggled in this regard.

So would you rather have Tee Higgins and Justyn Ross versus WIll Fuller, ESB, Boykin, or Chase Claypool??

Comparing Tony Jones to Travis Etienne asinine as is Lawrence to Book. That kinda mess is stupid. You know better than that or you should.

Comparing a big time recruit in Jurko to Lawerence is more appropriate. What happened there? Penn POY, 4* (5* at one point) 6-5 stud QB with legs leaves your program because he just couldn't
what..change his throwing motion or grasp your offense or whatever excuse BK comes up with. You think any of the big time QBs who transferred to other places are as successful if they came to ND??
And when you bring up Dexter...Why not compare Etienne to Dexter Williams? DW was a higher rated RB than Etinenne and showed immense potential each time he was on the field but for some reason just couldn't stay on the field. Partly his own fault but a lot to do with BK. Keeping kids engaged helps to ensure they're not being kids unless your Baker Mayfield or Johnny Manziel where it just doesnt matter...but for the most part it's on the adults. Yes, DW wasn't available in Athens but what about the year before. Not one touch..huh? You don't think his explosion makes a diff when Josh Adams kept getting in the hole but couldn't get out of it. That extra burst probably equals 2-4 first downs and in a game that tight...could've been the game. Where was he? Where's Avery Davis 75% of the year last year? Mckinley has like one breakout game and then...gone. That on him? Remember Corey Holmes? Alleged 4.3 WR with hops from Florida. Never seemed to get on the field. Last spring all the talk was about Joe Wilkins. Seen him? Took forever to get Lenzy going...Hardly doubt the same would've been the case at Oregon had he gone there. You figure out a way to get athletes involved. I'm not saying something that isn't echoed elsewhere.

Look at the QBs that have been here. 4* Wimbush, Kizer, Jurko -- worse as time went on then out. Kizer was phenomenal then bad...they stupendous then ok...then ugh..then great, great. Never got consistent then the following year much of the same. Felt like the kid was out there doing his own thing because he either didnt trust his coaching or the system didn't suit him. But lets not forget...BK has Zaire ahead of him anyways. All you really need to konw there.

What does it matter getting guys when they won't be used right or much or won't get better. Let say ND lands Shipley. NOW you have the #1 APB in back to back years. Both with elite speed and hands. What's going to be the excuse then? Both these kids could be at ACC or SEC schools but they'll be at ND. Already have 5* WR on their way in Jordon Johnson and another 5* TE in Mayer and another 4* QB in Pyne who holds offers from both LSU and Bama) And it could be with Buchner, Lorenzo Styles (and OSU alums kid) another 5* another 5* WR.

Please there's talent galore. Dont want to hear a thing about needing more kids BK won't know how to use. BK is just stuck in this archaic way of coaching. He's not bad...but he's not great.

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are currently at #10 or 11 depending. It’s early but with Shipley becoming more of an if, Colzie on the fence the offer list is dwindling.

Obviously, Top247 data doesn’t fully speak to a program’s ability to develop. The most impressive examples are found at places that identify undervalued recruits and shape them into NFL prospects. That’s why schools like TCU, Wisconsin, Iowa and Boise State have found outsized success compared to their recruiting rankings the last two decades.

ASU, ND, LSU,

All of these three plus FSU, MIAMI, MISSISSIPPI, ARKANSAS AND TEXAS A & M,

What are you trying to say?

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