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Folks - It's time to realize Kelly as a Big Time Coach

pghdomer79 214 posts Joined: Apr 13, 2009

Posted8:01 pm on Nov 27, 2020

I was at ND back in 78 - Devine was not a great coach - players won in spite him , not because him. Holtz great motivator - great game day coach but still had the green light as far as recruiting. Kelly is not the most dynamic nor the most inspirational, BUT he has made us relevant! he has recruited
speed he has brought in quality kids - we have to realize how the game (and society) has changed we should be grateful for what Brian Kelly and his personal abilitiy to adapt has benefitted our Irish . I do appreciate him Appreciate our times - we are relevant again!

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Boy, it took long enough.

jonpaultoo 217 posts 8:43 am on Nov 28, 2020

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I agree big time. The linemen are rarely the highest rated but they become the best. And obviously

THEISMANCARR 18125 posts 1:38 am on Nov 28, 2020

he is running the ball more because it fits the talent of his team. That is his biggest improvement, recognizing the strengths of the team.

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Kelly reinvented Kelly and the Irish football world changed.

faircatchcorby 10456 posts 10:10 pm on Nov 27, 2020

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Holtz was not a game day coach. I always said if he could motivate and train and let someone

Hank the Tank 9413 posts 10:09 pm on Nov 27, 2020

else do the coaching on game day.

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  What a stupid post!
  
  FoolBear 462 posts 5:48 pm on Nov 28, 2020
  
  What a stupid post! Lou was the best ND coach of my lifetime.... a ND legend. And to top it off, Lou's in his bed with COVID... Hank you should apologize.
  
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    I will not apologize--I love Lou. Overall he was a grest coach. But on gameday, i'll pick someone
    
    Hank the Tank 9413 posts 8:34 pm on Nov 28, 2020
    
    else
    
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      smh
      
      FoolBear 462 posts 11:14 pm on Nov 28, 2020
      
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        you have the right name, FOOL
        
        Hank the Tank 9413 posts 12:26 pm on Nov 30, 2020
        
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        WOW and your classy too. Tell your mom it's time for your timeout.
        
        FoolBear 462 posts 8:15 pm on Nov 30, 2020
        
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He's now an excellent coach...

ndunabomber 7131 posts 9:50 pm on Nov 27, 2020

...but not one of the absolute best such as a Saban, Meyer, etc.

If he wins a championship, then he deserves to be in that same category.

I do agree that he has become a much better coach, and that he's one of the best, but not in that "best of the best" category just yet.

He's proven that he can have us contending for a top 10 finish each year, and that he can get us to the playoffs at times. However, he still has to win the big one to be in that upper echelon of tiers. He has learned from his past mistakes, and was actually pretty fortunate that the Notre Dame Board of Trustees gave him a chance after 2016. Once he got rid of the dead weight, the program really improved to the point where we are no longer an automatic doormat for the elite.

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  not yet. we'll see in a few weeks how good he is.
  
  Hank the Tank 9413 posts 10:10 pm on Nov 27, 2020
  
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  Re: He's now an excellent coach...
  
  pghdomer79 OP214 posts 10:05 pm on Nov 27, 2020
  
  He MAY win a NC - no guarantees - hardest job in college football - ND has become very liberal - he has to dance that dance: how are you old school and still woke? I''m not sure.
  Don't ever forget ND can only recruit 1/3 of the highest rated recruits in the country - not a negative - have you ever been more proud when our players are interviewed on tv - no "you knows" and ghetto.I'm old school- graduated in 79- but in my opinion Kelly has done agreat job against formidible odds
  
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    You're not that old and I appreciate you recognizing how hard it is to become excellent when the
    
    THEISMANCARR 18125 posts 1:42 am on Nov 28, 2020
    
    school has become so liberal. Kelly has to overcome the fact that ND wants to be Ivy League. Why would anyone want to become Ivy League? You are dead on about Devine also.
    
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    I don't disagree at all
    
    ndunabomber 7131 posts 11:25 pm on Nov 27, 2020
    
    Coaching at ND isn't as easy as it is with other places that are willing to cede complete control over the football program. The Notre Dame Board of Trustees would never give any coach that kind of power, which is why someone the likes of Saban or Meyer wouldn't come here.
    
    Given the higher hurdles he has had to face, I think Brian Kelly has finally turned into the excellent, and even great coach that we were hoping he would be, but for him to become one of the greatest will still require that championship.
    
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A lot of folks handed him that title in 2012 too

humbaba 1483 posts 9:16 pm on Nov 27, 2020

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  Bad luck for him
  
  ndunabomber 7131 posts 9:54 pm on Nov 27, 2020
  
  We would have easily defeated Kansas State, and probably been an even matchup for Oregon had neither of them choked at the last second.
  
  Unfortunately for us, Alabama was easily the best team in the nation that year, and when give that second chance, they certainly made the best of it.
  
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  Re: A lot of folks handed him that title in 2012 too
  
  pghdomer79 OP214 posts 9:23 pm on Nov 27, 2020
  
  Not sure what you mean ? No one "handed him a title" he recognized the talent gulp - to his credit
  
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A Big Time Coach with no title.

AlbanyIRISH 26995 posts 8:31 pm on Nov 27, 2020

Try again.
Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability

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  Re: A Big Time Coach with no title.
  
  pghdomer79 OP214 posts 8:47 pm on Nov 27, 2020
  
  you're a pussy
  
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    You wasted your 161st post on that?
    
    AlbanyIRISH 26995 posts 8:49 pm on Nov 27, 2020
    
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    Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
    Invincibility with no vulnerability
    
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      Re: You wasted your 161st post on that?
      
      pghdomer79 OP214 posts 9:26 pm on Nov 27, 2020
      
      I apologize for my rudeness
      
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      Re: You wasted your 161st post on that?
      
      pghdomer79 OP214 posts 9:02 pm on Nov 27, 2020
      
      Albany - does the number of post qualify the poster? you are a consant negative poster?do you think people enjoy your posts or tolerate you? I don't post often - do you think less of me lol
      
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        You should apologize for being hammered and posting BS.
        
        faircatchcorby 10456 posts 10:08 pm on Nov 27, 2020
        
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        Re: You should apologize for being hammered and posting BS.
        
        pghdomer79 OP214 posts 10:25 pm on Nov 27, 2020
        
        Really? what bs?
        
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        I have a standard when it comes to greatness.
        
        AlbanyIRISH 26995 posts 9:05 pm on Nov 27, 2020
        
        Winning a national title is vital.
        
        Kelly can win 200 games and not be considered great.
        
        Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
        Invincibility with no vulnerability
        
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        Re: I have a standard when it comes to greatness.
        
        pghdomer79 OP214 posts 9:18 pm on Nov 27, 2020
        
        That's fair brother - however the game has changed - give credit to the old fogey Kelly - he has adapted - no stupid slogans on the back of jerseys -the black kids still love and respect ND - a fine tightrope he has walked - do you think Lou could adapt to these tumultous times?
        
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Actually most of us know this, non of us realize the mess he inherited

DonMiller 3372 posts 8:28 pm on Nov 27, 2020

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  This is probably true and I am guilty of criticizing him.
  
  oldirish 9529 posts 10:53 pm on Nov 27, 2020
  
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Can't disagree with anything you said...

nddad98 1642 posts 8:17 pm on Nov 27, 2020

for me, the best of Kelly is that he has learned and adapted in many positive ways. I did not like the hire, but he has done well.

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Re: Folks - It's time to realize Kelly as a Big Time Coach

b2runn 270 posts 8:16 pm on Nov 27, 2020

No doubt about it!

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pghdomer79 OP214 posts 8:09 pm on Nov 27, 2020

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