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Is this our high water mark with Kelly, or just a stepping stone on way up?

Author: Chrisb (10595 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:59 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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To me it comes down to when Book leaves, seeing if Book's success was from being under Kelly or if Kelly's recent success was more tied to having Book (who is 30-4 as a starter and unbeaten at home).

If we are starting over from scratch (seeing Kelly's old type seasons) when Book leaves, sigh..


"He gots to go!!!"

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What has his past history at Notre Dame indicated?

Author: humbaba (517 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:38 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Bet on high mark. The upper e must wear masks. (That you, dumb ass Fr Jenkins)

Author: OHIrish (3276 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:33 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Book is a career backup at best, Lawrence is the next John Elway.

Author: iairishcheeks (12992 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:13 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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It's really the difference.

Book has maximized his talent and Kelly deserves credit for it.

Clemson is just better, especially with Lawrence.


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You're missing the point..

Author: Chrisb (10595 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:24 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Kelly's only run here that meets minimum expectations, started the game that Book replaced Wimbush at QB vs LSU.

So now what happens when Book leaves... do we find out last 3 years were merely fool's gold?


"He gots to go!!!"
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That's about right but I thought Book showed up today, just no one around him did and Rees had

Author: THEISMANCARR (12042 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 8:16 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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a bad day. Almost all their players are a better than ours so play calling and finishing is key.

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Book showed up alright...as a mediocre quarterback

Author: WoodstockIrish (10902 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:29 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Clemson gets some credit. They changed how their defense played, and it worked.

Author: NedoftheHill (31330 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:18 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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They did. Sold out to stop the running game. Worked nicely.

Author: Frank L (46011 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:27 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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It's been a decade dude.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (21637 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:05 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Don't even bother looking at who will start next year. It's not pretty.

Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
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Do you think with the talent we got in the previous 10 years that we were as talented

Author: THEISMANCARR (12042 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 8:19 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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as 8 other good teams those past years. Our recruiting has gotten better but it is still only 8th or 9th this year. And Book plays well but he is never going to be as good as Lawrence or Watson. I thought Book played his heart out with little help from Rees today or the line today or the receivers being able to get open today.

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Listen, the offensive talent is bad.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (21637 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:23 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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There's no talent at WR, and Book has no vision.

That's a bad mix.


Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
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Best TE’s in college football

Author: OHIrish (3276 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:46 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Start out short and then gradually open up.

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And it ends there

Author: WoodstockIrish (10902 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:30 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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I hear you man, to think this is the guy who will break Rockne's win record.

Author: Chrisb (10595 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:11 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Just sad.

"He gots to go!!!"
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Hate to see Rockne record broken .

Author: garryowen (2617 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 8:14 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Any only losers will celebrate it.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (21637 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:13 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
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Will be like 2013.

Author: Frank L (46011 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:06 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Gross.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (21637 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:08 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
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QB. ND can get enough talent to compete with anybody with an elite QB. 11 yrs in, no sign of it yet.

Author: lacan (856 Posts - Joined: Apr 24, 2015)

Posted at 8:04 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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ND had an elite year from a QB, Kizer, but that was wasted by a refusal of the HC to recognize a terrible mistake in his choice of DC.

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Yeah right Kizer has made a real impact as a pro and he had seven opportunities to execute

Author: THEISMANCARR (12042 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 8:21 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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winning drives in 20116 and never did it.

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Disagree. QB talent has been here. BK runs them off or beats em or or coaches the talent out of em.

Author: Karamello (2748 Posts - Joined: Aug 3, 2007)

Posted at 8:10 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Danye Crist - 5 Star - BK got him killed
Kizer - 4 star - Only played cause of injury and was the better QB from the beginning. Got hot and BK cooled him off.
Jurko - 4 star - Better athlete, better arm, but too confident, got in the doghouse...BK Ran em off

Now Buchner on tape looks great (don't bother about elite 11 crap) been buoying around 5-star but is BK going to let him play up to his ability or manage him not to make mistakes...Take a guess.


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We don’t get top 5-7 QBs ever

Author: WoodstockIrish (10902 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:33 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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We lack elite QBs

That game would have been far closer with 4-5 other Top 10 QBs...

Book is short and won’t play in NFL


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We don’t get top 5-7 QBs ever

Author: WoodstockIrish (10902 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:33 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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We lack elite QBs

That game would have been far closer with 4-5 other Top 10 QBs...

Book is short and won’t play in NFL


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Kelly’s greatest failure is at the QB position.

Author: garryowen (2617 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 8:17 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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You just watched a game against an elite QB. None of those three were, are or ever will be elite.

Author: lacan (856 Posts - Joined: Apr 24, 2015)

Posted at 8:16 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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I know nothing of Buchner except concerns expressed about his attempt to change his throwing motion showing up after he showed up at some QB camps.

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Thank you

Author: WoodstockIrish (10902 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:35 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Trask, Fields, Jones, the Clemson backup

Easily 5-7 QBs better than Book all of whom would make that score closer


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Merry Christmas 🎄 stepping stone for the Meyer makeover

Author: eftg1 (9107 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 8:04 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Foolishness...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (22855 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:12 am on Dec 20, 2020
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FUCK Urban Meyer! The romance is over.

Author: OHIrish (3276 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:41 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Notre Dame doesn’t need a lying slut who has repeatedly turned his arrogant back on us.

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Ok,but how do you really feel about the Meyer?

Author: eftg1 (9107 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 9:59 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Do Catholics believe in 2nd chance and forgiveness?

Author: Buffaloirish (1139 Posts - Joined: Sep 29, 2015)

Posted at 8:05 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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They believe in Purgatory, which is where NDs been for 30 years...

Author: ripperduck (2391 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:08 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Then we all need to quit bitching then. Urban Meyer has 5 stars come to him

Author: Buffaloirish (1139 Posts - Joined: Sep 29, 2015)

Posted at 8:09 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Then get you knee pads on....

Author: OHIrish (3276 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:43 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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.....and blow his lying ass

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Book was an over achiever but you aren’t winning games like this with him

Author: NDNEIL (6352 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:03 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Unfortunately Kelly still has not fielded a great QB and we are in year 100 (I think).

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Junior urban achiever

Author: whatsamataU (19257 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:27 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Re: Book was an over achiever but you aren’t winning games like this with him

Author: Rocketman84 (116 Posts - Joined: May 31, 2011)

Posted at 8:13 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Absolutely NOT....send the blitz and make him make reads and its over!!

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My thought, next year is a step back but overall momentum of the program

Author: ShowMeIrish (8504 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:02 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Is solid. Need a top QB and playmakers (which I am hopeful they addressed this recruiting cycle). I get why people are pissed, but these kids won 16 straight and lost to one of 2 teams that dominate college football recently.

Slightly better than a Mexican
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It wasn’t that they lost. It was the way they were completely depantsed and embarrassed.

Author: Frank L (46011 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:05 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Frank my man. We agree about nothing, but this my friend, we are totally on the same page.

Author: ELP (924 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 8:16 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Totally agree.

Author: garryowen (2617 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 8:07 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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Yep, if ND keeps these to 14ish point games then they’ll accidentally win a few

Author: NDNEIL (6352 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:07 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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But as soon as something bad happens, they roll over

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Roll over like a cheap crack dealer informant.

Author: Frank L (46011 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:09 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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He’s under water!

Author: whatsamataU (19257 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:02 pm on Dec 19, 2020
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