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Brian Driskell sums up Kelly’s main problem

Author: CC72 (16793 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 7:22 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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This article by Driskell pretty much matches up with what most of the posters on this board have been saying all along about Kelly not playing young talented players because they are not yet “complete”.

Link: https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-football-brian-kelly-chris-tyree-philosophy-must-change

Replies to: Brian Driskell sums up Kelly’s main problem


Thread Level: 2

Driskell is right. The game's changed many freshman are ready and competent enough to change games.

Author: oldirish (9328 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 9:32 pm on Dec 24, 2020
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This has GOT to be the next evolution in Kelly 2.0 or we're at the ceiling

Author: MarkHarman (7276 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:07 pm on Dec 23, 2020
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This continued refusal to play gamebreakers because they aren't "complete" players or might make mistakes is a change Kelly must make. He changed a lot of things for Kelly 2.0, but this is crucial. Is he willing to evolve one more time?

I also see where Driskell is getting flack for being only a D3 coach or his personality. Look, what he says is either well-founded or it's not. Seems to me like he knows his stuff and makes legitimate points.


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Spot on, but not complete. The other part is being willing to recruit the 5 stars he chooses not to

Author: BaronVonZemo (59922 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 1:13 am on Dec 23, 2020
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recruit.

I barely see ND's name in the mix on most of the top 40 players.


Thread Level: 3

Higher SATs, natural Catholic HS feed diminished. And now, all teams get TV exposure. Plus, we don't

Author: ND521 (9410 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:58 am on Dec 23, 2020
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pay.

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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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And the best talent is no longer in the rust belt states. Some alleged fans still are under the

Author: michiganirish (1360 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:30 am on Dec 23, 2020
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impression that ND has the advantages they had through the 70's and some of the 80's.

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Tell OSU that

Author: whatsamataU (25140 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:02 pm on Dec 23, 2020
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"We don't pay."

Author: AlbanyIRISH (25817 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:20 am on Dec 23, 2020
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How do you know?

Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
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If my standardized test scores had been lower I would have played MLB. Who knew?

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16209 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:33 am on Dec 23, 2020
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I trust you understand

Author: WoodstockIrish (14683 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:16 am on Dec 23, 2020
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ND football players aren’t coming in with 1400 SATs right?

No where close.

Get over it.


Thread Level: 5

You're right, they are few and far between, Tim Ruddy was one example, but they come at least

Author: THEISMANCARR (17199 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 4:01 pm on Dec 23, 2020
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thinking about education and getting their degree and those that leave early for the NFL seem to come back to get the degree. They know it is not going to be easy but they also know they can get their degree because of the effort to make them complete their degree.

Thread Level: 2

Unemployable never has been 'Coach' said what?

Author: ND521 (9410 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 11:28 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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I like how defensive he gets with his readers in the comments...

Author: kgirish (713 Posts - Joined: Sep 16, 2019)

Posted at 7:55 am on Dec 23, 2020
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That guy's a real pro.

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At least not in his eyes

Author: whatsamataU (25140 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:26 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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SI is a shit site, was purchased by PE and gutted

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:11 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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Thread Level: 3

Sometimes even a blind squirrel can find an acorn.

Author: whatsamataU (25140 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:02 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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What has eluded Kelly compared to Holtz is 4 to 5 consensus number 1 consecutive recruiting classes,

Author: THEISMANCARR (17199 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 7:33 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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it is not playing freshmen. Meyer is playing a lot because his talent level is that of a 5 star freshman at Alabama and Clemson. You guys forget that every year we have redshirt freshman and sophomores playing a lot and the same question was asked about they and their playing time as true freshmen. Kyren Williams simply wasn't ready last year until he took the steps necessary to get there. I cannot believe you guys, though well intended, do not see this. It is remarkable the success Kelly has had with diamonds in the rough, who though not dominating players in the pros like so many that Alabama or Clemson have at difference making positions, end up having pro careers even if only solid to marginal that last a decent amount of time. Those players may or may not have been capable of winning a national championship but at least they showed up because of solid, developmental coaching.

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Avg SATs for ND as a whole and for our student athletes are up by over 150 points since then.

Author: ND521 (9410 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 11:48 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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SAT's changed their scoring system since then.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59922 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 1:20 am on Dec 23, 2020
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1600 is max again. 80s ND was low mid 1200s, now a shade under 1400.

Author: ND521 (9410 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:49 am on Dec 23, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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You seriously think our football players

Author: WoodstockIrish (14683 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:18 am on Dec 23, 2020
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Have those SAT scores?

You are delusional


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That’s the excuse for not getting many of the top recruits

Author: whatsamataU (25140 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:04 pm on Dec 23, 2020
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How did Dabo get his first NC with classes on avg ranked lower than BK's in the same period?

Author: Karamello (3518 Posts - Joined: Aug 3, 2007)

Posted at 8:57 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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He had a 4-star Deshaun Watson and a lotta good players...much like BK has had. What did he do? Coach them to win. Not coach them not to lose.

Thread Level: 4

You answered the question. Deshaun Watson.

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:08 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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Good coaching as well but, without Watson there is no Clemson dynasty. IMO.

I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
Thread Level: 5

You are right on. This does not mean Book is not capable, it means he is just not great enough to

Author: THEISMANCARR (17199 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 1:25 pm on Dec 23, 2020
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make a difference game after game.

Thread Level: 5

You think if BK had Watson he's coaching him up the way Dabo did? Right.

Author: Karamello (3518 Posts - Joined: Aug 3, 2007)

Posted at 9:30 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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BK has had 5-Star Dayne Crist, 4 Star Anderw Hendrix, 4-star Malik Zaire, 4-star Deshone Kizer, 4-star Brandon WImbush, 4-star Phil Jurkovec -- a myriad of talent and different styles of QBs. Big qb, small qbs, fast qb's, long release, short release, fiery, heady...alll this in his 10yrs. But who has he been successful with. 3-star Golson, 3-star Book. And when Zaire gets hurt and the notably more talented and suited to the talent around him Kizer gets in he does well until....BK starts coaching him. It's not hard to see the issue now after 10yrs. Deshaun Watson would've been ruined by BK.

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hell, you and I could have coached Watson.

Author: THEISMANCARR (17199 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 1:25 pm on Dec 23, 2020
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Kizer was unwatchable in his 1st Spring game. Kelly LeFleur & Sanford coached & he matured. Malik's

Author: ND521 (9410 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 11:43 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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career was one very good game and a horrendous injury.

Dr. Hendrix was a gift from Charlie the slob. Painful to watch, especially against SC.
Everett was good, actually very good, until the pressure of being QB1 got to him.

Wimbush was the best athlete on our O but not a QB. Shame he was not shifted to a Procise type runner/receiver role.

And Phil could not beat out Ian on a timetable that worked for him. Plus his lady lives in Boston.


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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Malik's injury was awful, but he was a horrible fit for Kelly's offense. Kelly's requires a huge

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16209 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:37 am on Dec 23, 2020
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armed drop back passer who offers the threat of the occasional run. Malik was never going to be a good passer, and Kelly would never have gone to a run-based spread. Who was Everett?

Thread Level: 8

Agree re:Malik's skill set. Seems that Rees has built the O around our strengths, rather than force

Author: ND521 (9410 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 11:05 am on Dec 23, 2020
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fit players into a system.

Kizer had the combination you mentioned. Too bad he left early, as an additional year would have benefited both him and ND.
Everett Golson came close, until the pressures of being QB1 overtook him.


God may not care who wins, but His mother does
Thread Level: 7

I was hoping Wimbush would be our Deshaun Watson. Unfortunately he just wasn't a very good QB.

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:12 am on Dec 23, 2020
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I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
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Yup. Great kid, wrong position, but his speed and arm strength kept us all hoping.

Author: ND521 (9410 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 11:18 am on Dec 23, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
Thread Level: 9

And the hype.

Author: whatsamataU (25140 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:05 pm on Dec 23, 2020
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Thread Level: 6

Does BK really coach the QBs? Anyway, what contradicts your contention is...

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:36 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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that all of those QBs (save Kizer) were garbage, or mediocre after they transfered.

I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
Thread Level: 6

I was going to say Watson would prolly only have 3 touches by his Sr yr and out of position.

Author: Jerseymick (5137 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:43 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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...and didn't win it until Watson's last year at Clemson.

Author: ND_in_DRO (3958 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 9:17 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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Didn't win it when Watson was a true freshman.

Thread Level: 6

True.

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:28 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
Thread Level: 3

^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^

Author: michiganirish (1360 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:48 pm on Dec 22, 2020
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