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Clemson and Alabama QBs moving forward

Author: ryanfi14 (179 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2015)

Posted at 7:22 pm on Dec 26, 2020
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It’s amazing that Alabama and Clemson will have no drop off at QB again. This is why they keep winning consistently. Alabama has the number 1 guy out of HS and Clemson has the number 2 which we already saw. Imagine having no drop off after Lawrence.

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A little like the pro's

Author: croaker (552 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:28 pm on Dec 27, 2020
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You need to keep throwing it against the wall with your best estimate of the top QB's that are a reasonable fit and hope some stick. They fail so often at both levels that you can't just get one you think will be the answer and think you are done. Until they have proven it, you keep loading up. In the pro's it's a little easier as you can keep that QB once you find him for next to forever if you are willing to pay. In college you need to keep trying to get the best every year because even if you find 'that guy' he'll be gone in a few years.

And yes, it sucks, but it's also going to cause havoc because you'll get more transfers out if you are doing it right, but that's the model for having a consistent contender. No complaints about Book. He was a 3 star that has well outperformed his rating, and is one of the best college QB's in the last few years. He's helped get ND where they are now and he and Kelly should get credit for his development. But....although he's one of the better QB's in the last few years, he's not a Lawrence, Fields, Burrow, Murray level talent.

Maybe Buchner will be the start of a consistent progression of top level QB's. I hope so, but they can't stop and think they have answered the question with him. Sometimes guys don't develop. Sometimes they get hurt. Sometimes they transfer out or get suspended. Regardless, they have to keep pushing for top level QB's every year.

Regarding the O, we do great at recruiting all but the flashy skill positions. We've consistently have top level talent on the OL and TE. WR's is a little more hit or miss. We gotten or developed some top talent, but just not a group all at the same time. Recent recruiting indicates we may have turned a corner on this, but again, you have to keep after it each year. RB is weird. Kyren wasn't an all world recruit, but I'm more than happy with him and Tyree was a big time get, but given the OL and TE's and our success with lower rating RB's you'd think that the top RB's would be banging down our doors to get in. But it seems even when we get a good one, it's a harder sell than it should be and we don't have that pipeline of talent that the elite teams seem to get.


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DJ I think is a special talent, I remember watching him on the show QB1 however...

Author: Quest4twelve (6683 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 9:46 am on Dec 27, 2020
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I'm not sold on Bryce Young. Remind more of a Jalen Hurts. However with the wide receiver and running back talent he doesn't need to be a TL type talent.

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Yes, that is true but no one quite matches Lawrence, a generational QB.

Author: THEISMANCARR (17199 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 8:24 pm on Dec 26, 2020
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Re: Yes, that is true but no one quite matches Lawrence, a generational QB.

Author: ryanfi14 (179 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2015)

Posted at 9:51 pm on Dec 26, 2020
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But they actually say the kid can be even better then Lawrence or equal too.

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He shredded ND quite well.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (25812 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:42 am on Dec 27, 2020
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Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
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Wasn’t it for around 400 plus yards?

Author: whatsamataU (25140 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:46 am on Dec 27, 2020
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So could Buchner. Nobody knows right now.

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:47 pm on Dec 26, 2020
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I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
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We know that Kelly likes QBs that can run and wouldn’t take a big arm that can’t run

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:21 am on Dec 27, 2020
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People seem to forget Gunner Kiel was a 5 star and the #1 Pro style QB in his class.

Author: Shadow_of_the_Dome (4618 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:59 am on Dec 27, 2020
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No, we remember that was a down year for QBs, and Kiel was Kelly's plan B after Maty Mauk

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:07 pm on Dec 29, 2020
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Kiel was the #1 QB according to Rivals, but down the list on the recruit rankings, which is rare

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Kiel would have done well

Author: ndunabomber (6473 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:30 am on Dec 29, 2020
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He would have had a really good line protecting him in 2013, since Golson was off the team.

I know he did decently in Cincy, but that line wasn't exactly that good, and he was getting hammered left and right every time he dropped back to pass. It's not surprising that he got hooked on painkillers during his time there.

Had he stayed at ND, who knows? Maybe he doesn't develop a pill habit, and becomes the QB we all thought he could be.


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We really don’t know that at all. He preferred Rees

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 8:48 am on Dec 27, 2020
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over any other QB and he couldn’t run or throw.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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He could throw, but...

Author: ndunabomber (6473 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:27 am on Dec 29, 2020
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His throws were limited to 10 yard quickouts.

Asking Tommy Rees to throw the ball 30 yards downfield reliably was akin to asking the kid with the broken leg to win a footrace against Rocket Ismail.


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Crist started until his 2d major injury. Great kid, but never the same player after that. Dane had

Author: ND521 (9410 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 12:39 pm on Dec 27, 2020
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little mobility and even his footwork was ruined.

God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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i remember that Michigan game where Crist was temporarily blinded, poor kid

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:03 pm on Dec 29, 2020
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Those who can, do. Those who can’t, coach. Or something like that.

Author: whatsamataU (25140 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:48 am on Dec 27, 2020
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He had Golson ahead of Rees and Rees had to be ahead of Crist, who got hurt and Hendrix.

Author: THEISMANCARR (17199 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 9:26 am on Dec 27, 2020
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He'll take a big arm who can run.

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:51 am on Dec 27, 2020
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But, why do you say he won't take a big arm that can't run? Is this a recent thing or do you think Kelly has always been that way at ND?

I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
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He’s stated in the past he looks for guys that can extend plays with their

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:55 am on Dec 27, 2020
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Feet

Then look who he’s recruited, there are just a few outliers, Gunner Keil, Brendon Clark, and Deshone Kizer and these three were plan B. the rest were known for being mobile and half of them had arm issues (accuracy, low release, weak arm, etc). Also, have you seen how small Pyne is?

Everett Golson
Malik Zaire
Brandon Wimbush
Avery Davis
Ian Book
Phil Jurkovec
Drew Pyne
Tyler Buchner


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I think it is absolutely necessary to have QBs that can do both these days. Even in the NFL

Author: THEISMANCARR (17199 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 9:29 am on Dec 27, 2020
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look who the best ones are. No more tall, immobile statues, or guys that can throw but turn the ball over like crazy. I think we have a chance against the Alabama QB unless his timing is so precise in combination with those speedy receivers.

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I thought the same when I saw Golson play, then I saw Zaire and realized this could go bad

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:15 pm on Dec 27, 2020
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Zaire looked more like a Navy QB and then Wimbush

Mobility is nice, but if the QB can’t make every throw it shrinks the field for the defense


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Buchner will be arriving soon. He should be groomed to be our starter. He is a true talent.

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 7:36 pm on Dec 26, 2020
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The grooming is the scary part with Kelly...

Author: whatsamataU (25140 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:45 am on Dec 27, 2020
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How do you know this? The two elite QBs this year are going to Georgia and Washington

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:24 am on Dec 27, 2020
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Re: Buchner will be arriving soon. He should be groomed to be our starter. He is a true talent.

Author: ryanfi14 (179 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2015)

Posted at 7:39 pm on Dec 26, 2020
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Yes but it seems like if you are not named the starter at ND you transfer out.

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Yes, we know, i think Kellys best shot at an elite QB had to be Eason

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:27 pm on Dec 26, 2020
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but he blew his load way early

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Eason looked at our QBs and passed. Kizer as starter, Zaire coming back & Brandon had arrived.

Author: ND521 (9410 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 12:51 pm on Dec 27, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Where is Eason now? I remember the name but where did he go and how has he done?

Author: THEISMANCARR (17199 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 8:25 pm on Dec 26, 2020
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He's the Colts 3rd string QB.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (25812 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:49 am on Dec 27, 2020
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After his mediocre career at UGA, he had one nice year at UW, then was drafted in R4.

Hardly a generational talent.


Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
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Who got beat out by Fromm at UGA, who is now 3d string QB w/the Bills.

Author: ND521 (9410 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:04 pm on Dec 27, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Eason was the only 5 star QB that has shown any interest in the program, Kelly is recruiting 3 and 4

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:47 pm on Dec 26, 2020
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stars, while Georgia, Bama, Clemson, and OSU are getting the 5 stars

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Ex-Kiel, who spent his time at ND playing video games & Blake Barnett, a 5* bust who de-committed.

Author: ND521 (9410 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:14 pm on Dec 27, 2020
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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