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If I'm BK, I'm going for it a lot of 4th Down

Author: NDNEIL (6358 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:47 am on Dec 28, 2020
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Punting and gaining 40 to 50 yards is a few plays and a minute or so for Alabama. The gain isn't much.

I'd rather Rees realize he has 4 plays in his pocket and be able to feel confident in his play calls. Keep drives alive, burn clock, and frustrate Bama.


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Analytics.

Author: NedoftheHill (31612 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:18 am on Dec 29, 2020
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But don't go for 2 until the end. Over and over and over, going for 2 points too early is proven to be a mistake. Coastal Carolina and Liberty game is the most recent example of this. Just kick the extra point.

First Freedom, then Glory—when that fails, wealth, vice, corruption—barbarism at last. - Byron
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I have thought about that a lot too. I wouldn't mind seeing it.

Author: THEISMANCARR (12083 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 9:40 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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If I'm Brian Kelly, I'm buying a Peloton.

Author: BaronVonZemo (33904 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 3:15 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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Hah, not a bad idea either.

Author: THEISMANCARR (12083 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 9:40 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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Do you have any idea how purple he’d get on an uphill climb?

Author: TakethetrainKnute (23255 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:41 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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At least 50 Shades of Purple.

Author: BaronVonZemo (33904 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:01 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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Poof

Author: whatsamataU (19323 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:54 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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I think it depends on how the game goes.

Author: ND_in_DRO (3367 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2016)

Posted at 12:38 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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ND obviously needs several things to go its way to have a chance, including but not limited to a turnover advantage, huge play on special teams (return TD or blocked kick), and/or a defensive TD.

If ND gives Bama a bunch of short fields by, those things aren't going to happen, but I agree ND needs to be more aggressive than usual on 4th down.


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Re: If I'm BK, I'm going for it a lot of 4th Down

Author: NfanD94 (197 Posts - Joined: Aug 25, 2018)

Posted at 12:08 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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And throw it downfield....even if it's 50/50 balls....we will come down with 50%+.....even under pressure, chuck the rock Book!

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Agree

Author: croaker (498 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:41 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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Haven't watched Bama much this year, but in the past their philosophy on D was to make their weak spot in coverage the deep sideline ball, which makes sense as it's a low percentage throw. One area we are pretty good with is receivers with height that can fight for those contested balls. Maybe a little game planning to have essentially an isolation play set up to one side, and two others and the tight end to the other side. If they safety isn't too close, throw a longish back shoulder fade by design, so after the initial pre snap read, no decision making needed. Ball comes out on time and probably more accurately if he isn't getting pressured too quickly. Not saying to do it constantly and you'd need to vary the formation and who you are throwing it to a bit to keep it from being an easy read, but it does give the opportunity for a decent chance of success as well as chunk plays and maybe loosening up Alabama's D a little. WR screens might do okay once or twice as well, since our WR's are good blockers, but I can't see it being a staple, their too athletic to get beat often on that.

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He can't chuck the rock, that's the issue.

Author: jimbasil (41367 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 12:37 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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If he has to put air under the ball, it stays up a long time and the Bama D will get to it faster than our receivers will. ND doesn't have speed
receivers.

Bama will bring 5 on almost every offensive play and the scary thing about that (as if that isn't scary enough) they're skilled at defending
the screen pass and ND receivers can't get downfield fast enough for Book (who is very slow at delivering the ball) to get them the ball
even if he could read the secondary which he doesn't do fast enough.

Sorry but all Book's throws will become 50/50 balls. And we know, he often throws late and when he hurries, it's usually behind the receiver.

Kyren Williams will have to have an unbelievable game both running and pass blocking in order for ND to have a chance and you can
add into that the Tight Ends too.

And that's just the offense

Outside of Hamilton, ND's secondary will get beat all day long because they really aren't fast enough and don't tackle well enough.
This is going to be a blow-out. Sorry for the disappointing news.

I hope I'm way wrong, but even with the many skill players on ND, it won't be enough without good coaching.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Get used to it

Author: Jerseymick (3927 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:27 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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You mean, I should be used to it by now.

Author: jimbasil (41367 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 5:37 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Yes it means what we all knew.

Author: ColeyO (4356 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:22 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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U are very slow

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Oh Dorothy, don't you have dolls to play with?

Author: jimbasil (41367 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 10:44 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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You make it so easy. Almost too easy.LMAO

Author: ColeyO (4356 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:52 am on Dec 29, 2020
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Yes was just using a Kelly quote.

Author: Jerseymick (3927 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:10 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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That's about it in a nutshell. I just want ND to be competitive and outcome not decided by...

Author: ghostwriter (2500 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 4:08 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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halftime again.

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Re: That's about it in a nutshell. I just want ND to be competitive and the outcome not decided by..

Author: ghostwriter (2500 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 7:56 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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halftime.

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delete

Author: ghostwriter (2500 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 7:58 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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delete

Author: ghostwriter (2500 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)

Posted at 7:56 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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I’d love to see Avery Davis toss it down field on a trick play or two. He had quite the arm in HS.

Author: Shadow_of_the_Dome (2672 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:55 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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Exactly - also, just having speed like Johnson, or Lenzy on the field could do so much more

Author: jimbasil (41367 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 2:06 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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They don't have to have the ball thrown to them, they just need to get down field in a hurry - keep one or two defenders trailing and it
opens up underneath plays -

I just don't get why Kelly doesn't use the talent he has even if it's just for deception to create openings for other plays.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Blitz blitz blitz

Author: whatsamataU (19323 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:52 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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Would Aggie fans have this much stress if they had the 4 spot instead of our Irish?

Author: ELP (1127 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 8:00 pm on Dec 28, 2020
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