Stop the Tyler Buchner suppression!
Some genius from the Slap The Sign website suggested that Buchner hold a clipboard for the 2021 season.
Also, literally from Day 1, BK defined the Spring QB competition as a Coan vs. Pyne battle. Buchner need not apply.
However, we all have seen good things from Buchner's arm AND legs in the video clips. He's the best dual threat we have.
Kelly's brain needs a new coat of paint. Hasn't he learned anything from his playoff fiascos?
We need a dynamic, game-changing QB in order to play with the big boys. Only Buchner has that potential, yet he has been put on ice.
Wake up, Big Game Brian!
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That's classic Kelly roster mgmt. I'd wait for Spring game action before anointing. Not that BK
will change his opinion. He didn't with Book, nor with Rees over Golson. Once he latches on to a QB it takes a literal act of God to change his wrong mind.
why waste time on Buchner when the next Manning is the savior?
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Curious, have you ever seen Buchner play?
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I’ve seen a Buckner play
Take that Chowder Eaters!
Let's put a package into the offense for him. RPO and Zone Read. A few deep balls if they don't
respect him. He can do that. I'd love to see him at QB with both Tyree and Williams in the backfield with him. Split Williams out and let him lead block on the QB option where Buchner can keep it or toss it to Tyree. That would be very tough to defend. Or a variation where they fake running a play like that and toss it over the top. Things like that make a defense prepare for something completely different and very difficult to defend.
It would get Buchner time on the field and would be a very effective wrinkle to our offense. If it turns out he's the best guy for the job, it'll be evident and he'd transition at some point in the season. If Buchner wins the competition next year, it will be invaluable experience for him. If Pyne wins the competition next year, this package for Buchner can still be utilized and effective.
I agree but you won't find much of that sentiment here. Folks trust BK bec he's been doing it for...
30+ years. Regardless of his track record.
He's not recruiting top talent, last top QB prospects that he had on campus for a
visit were Jacob Eason and Kyle Allen
Kelly is not putting in the work, which is why we have our current QB room
Well....Gunnar Kiel rated #1 ProStyle; Phil Jurko #4 rated DualThreat; Buchner rated #3 DualThreat.
As WELL as those mentioned above.
Of talent has come thru BK and Co. He's not a great QB developer. He's a QB manager. That's why he does well with managing style QBs. Get a guy who wants to be the guy and BK will worked that out of him. Some of these QBs who would've consider ND probably not eager to deal with that.
Backup QB went to Backup College and Gunner enjoyed video games more than P5 football.
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Interesting how there's always explanation that's on the player when it comes to BK.
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Kiel did decently
He had a couple of good seasons in Cincy, until injuries and his addiction to painkillers ended his athletic career.
For what it's worth, I think he could have thrived at ND, had he stuck around. There's no way Tommy Rees would have beaten him out in 2013, and he would have had a couple of nice seasons to show for it.
Agreed.
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Get yourself into a program
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This post reminds me of Beano Cook and Ron Powlus as a FR - high hopes
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Big difference
Ron Powlus was as polished as a high school QB could be, and would have easily been ready to start from day one, if it weren't for a twice-fractured collarbone.
He was a three year starter at Berwick, which at the time was one of the top football programs in the nation.
Powlus was a top recruit, he’d be at OSU or Clemson today
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Potential is fine, but polish is equally important
There's no question that a developed Tyler Buchner would be the best QB we've had in a long time.
The problem is, that one hear of high school experience isn't going to make a QB ready to step into a complex offense.
Some folks might say "well, Trevor Lawrence started as a true freshman," but there's one noticeable difference...
Lawrence was a 4 year starter at QB at a powerhouse high school, and excelled against top notch competition there as well. He was already very well polished from the start.
I love Buchner's potential, and especially his attitude, but right now, he's simply not ready to play. There's no substitute for real experience.
Here's what I see...
Buchner is the QB of the future. The Irish are lucky that he doesn't HAVE to start right away. The coaching staff did a great job attracting Coan and from what I'm hearing, Pyne is doing some good things. Having said that, Buchner's HS play time means squat. He's going to be a good one.
And even Lawrence didn't start from game one at Clemson.
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We've seen 12 minutes of highlights
What Kelly tells the media and what happens in practice are two very different things. There is no point in getting all worked up right now over the reps for Buchner. He has not played any organized football in over a year and that came against very weak competition in a low level in California. He's got a ton of talent, but Kelly is both taking it slow and trying to shield him from the hype from those who have anointed Buchner already,
Yes, we've seen him make some plays in the very limited practice clips, but we've also seen him throw multiple interceptions in those same clips already, Let the kid develop a little. He's played like 15 games b/c of injuries and losing his senior season.
To your point: Buchner hasn't played in an actual game since November of 2019.
He had a great JR season in 2019, no question, but as you point out it was against "low level" competition. People also forget that he missed his entire 2018 season (except for three or four plays) in HS because of an injury. So he played only one season since his freshman year of HS. He just hasn't had as much real game experience as most incoming freshman have had. I really like Buchner's talent, but it is not realistic, in my opinion, to think he can come in and start at a high level program as a true freshman.
He’s not a top recruit, he’s just a dream
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He can be both a top recruit AND not ready just yet
Both of those things can be true.
He's got all of the raw talent in the world, but he's lacking experience because of his injuries in 2018 and then not playing in the fall. Notre Dame getting Coan for this year while Buchner learns was an ideal situation because Buchner won't be thrown to the wolves and Coan is legit enough to give Notre Dame a chance in every single game.
Yeah, a “dream” that Alabama, Georgia and other top programs wanted.
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Brock Vandagriff and Sam Huard were the top QBs this year
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According to 24/7, Buchner was rated #10 QB overall and the #3...
dual threat QB in the class. Calling him a “dream” sarcastically is unfounded. How about let the kid come in, develop and then let’s see if he’s a bust or not. Seem fair? I think so too.
There's only about a couple of top QBs a year, it's probably a reach to call Huard a top prospect
this year but Vandagriff is the #1 QB and a top 10 overall recruit.
If you get the #10 QB you're recruiting like a top 20 team, not a top 5 team. Clemson, Georgia, Bama, OSU with help from the CFP has really changed recruiting, they almost have a stranglehold on the top QB prospects the past 5 years.
And yet Alabama’s NC QB was a 3* recruit.
#399 overall recruit (247).
Link: https://247sports.com/Player/Mac-Jones-80433/high-school-139423/
So was Joe Burrow. Other than Lawrence, I don't think any "Top" QB has won the CFP.
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Yeah, that year the top QB went to Stanford.and Bama took 2 QBs, the other one was ranked higher
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Yep. The top 2 QB prospects from that class were Davis Mills and Hunter Johnson.
Per 247 ratings.
Mills had an okay career at Stanford. Johnson flamed out.
Doesn't fit his narrative
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Look at Buchner’s offer list.
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I've said it before - ND under Kelly: Where 5* QBs go to die....!
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