Or at least there are some parallels that make you scratch your head.
Pyne a year ago and Pyne today seemed to be the better option, yet ... Buchner. If Buchner hadn't been hurt, would Rees have made the move to Pyne? Certainly seems like only begrudgingly.
Rees called a lot of run plays that were unsuccessful and seemed to continue to call those plays even while the defense was set up to stop the run first.
Buchner looked uncomfortable running RPOs, IMO.
In fairness to Buchner, I also feel like Rees through his play calling was not putting him in a position to succeed. I think he's Crist like in that he's an athletic kid, but he has bona fide accuracy issues and does not move through progressions one iota, but Rees seemed to expect that it all would "click" at some point for Buchner.
Pyne has had one solid performance against one of the worst defenses I've seen that was giving 7 yards of cushion to ND WR's.
So far he's off to a very good start. Let's see if he can maintain it. I've always thought he was better than Buchner; now he has a chance to prove it.
Pyne is the qb because of injury, not because he won the job. Rees/Freeman picked Buchner because his skills sets are better overall all than Pyne. Rees/Freeman then slimmed down the offensive scheme when Pyne became the QB.
If Pyne had played OSU and Marshall, we don't know what that would have looked like.
If Buchner had played with same game plan at Pyne -- short, very low risk passing -- we don't know what that would have looked like.
If Buchner had played with the offensive oline performance that Pyne did, we don't know what that would have look like.
At best their ceiling is likely serviceable based on what I’ve seen. However, whichever one is the QB, is the guy I cheer for.
But then what do I know. Buchner has been injured more than he’s been healthy and really doesn’t have much of a track record. Glad to see Pyne playing.
this year. However both the stats and the eye test clearly show that Pyne is better. He is a better passer and a better game manager. Now you might say that Buchner played with an awful oline. That is true but a QB that can throw decently makes the Oline and the RBs better because defenses are more hesitant to stuff the box against a decent passer. Defenses when Buchner started just stuffed the box all day long and dared Buchner to throw. In short, a decent throwing QB makes the whole offense look better. That was not the case with Buchner.
I'm not confident that Pyne can win games vs excellent defenses but I'm even less confident that Buchner can. Who knows, maybe next year Buchner will have improved enough as a passer to have a chance to start, but if not, ND should stick with Pyne or Angeli or even better, a good portal QB.
Doubt Pyne performs as well as Buchner did at OSU considering the amount of pressure that was put on him. Mostly the same against Marshall. OL appears to have made some big strides with some more confidence and Patterson healthy. Who knows what Buchner would do with an improved line.
I'm Pyne's biggest fan but just pointing out how silly this discussion is with this limited sample.
Of course it is against one of the worst Defenses in the country
Buchner had several chances and showed very little. Other than that he has been injured both here and in high school. In my opinion, he’s a project.
through 2 games as a pointing reason as to why Pyne is clearly better than Buchner.
The pros call it using an extreme to make a point.
Tell me you aren't comparing Pyne to Joe Montana?!?!?!?!?
tOSU is the best team we have faced and we were actually winning in the third quarter while looking rather pathetic on offense. A different gameplan with either Buchner or Pyne beats tOSU.
Mighty mid major Marshall has lost 2 games since knocking off Buchner-led ND.
Pyne has led the offense against 2 power 5 teams and the team has won. The offense has looked different and better.
Rees seems to be more comfortable calling plays with a quarter back like Pyne. Regardless if anyone thinks Pyne is or isn’t better than Buchner, with Pyne in the offense is much more efficient at moving the ball.
I'm not saying he is or isn't better, don't really know. Not enough film on either . Dat was da point, boi.
I'm the biggest Pyne fan here, but if he struggles against BYU and we lose, you ninnies will be calling for the next guy.
...Buchner was anointed the starter after 1 week into Fall camp so Rees obviously saw (in his mind) that Buchner was "da man."
