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Level 1
If Buchner can play, I think the coaches go with him in a heartbeat. That they are looking for a tr
ansfer when they know they have Pyne available for next year is a clear indication of their assessment of his capabilities and performance.
I think the coaches think Buchner is MUCH better than Pyne and that the offense could be MUCH better with Buchner.
When you have a QB that is far better than the backup and that QB returns from injury, you play him. It's that simple and I think that is the philosophy of most coaches including Freeman and Rees.
"Put a Riddell on somebody and be the most physical team in the country until the whistle blows."-
Level 2
I don't get the love for Buchner. Fact is that neither are very good.
Buchner has never shown much so far, not last year, nor this year in his first two games. If I had to choose, I prefer Pyne. Neither can pass adequately but at least Pyne is more careful with the ball.
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Level 3
Buchner is our starting QB. Coaches clearly think he is far better, not only running but
throwing the ball as well. Pyne is good at neither.
If the starter is healthy, you go with him.
"Put a Riddell on somebody and be the most physical team in the country until the whistle blows."-
Level 4
Correction, Buchner 'was' the starter, now Pyne 'is' the starter..
While I acknowledge there were other factors involved and I personally think Buchner might prove to be better if given the chance, the FACT is we were 0-2 and have gone 8-1 (with potential still for 10-1) with Pyne at QB.
To simply hand the spot back to Buchner without making him beat Pyne out, would be a tremendous error {see 2011 Crist over Rees}.
And "anyone" including me, who thinks Buchner might be better should have zero problem with this approach, because if he is better then he will beat him out again and if he doesn't then he just isn't better at that point in time.
You can knock Pyne all you want but the simple truth is this, aside from his height he has shown at times he has every tool needed to be a higher level college QB. On his good days he has displayed a level of play that we simply have not seen from Buchner yet (doesn't mean it's not there, but we haven't seen it). On his bad days (Cal in particular) he's shown a level lower than the worst we've seen from Buchner. So it really just comes down to consistency not ability...Pyne has the ability, he just needs to play more consistently.
I used to think he had poor accuracy, but now I realize his accuracy is there (when he's playing well) it's just a lack of consistency in his play...he's an up n down player, to go forward as the permanent starter he needs to become an up all of the time player, or he will get beat out by someone.
"Leave No Doubt." -Marcus Freeman-
Level 5
No, Buchner is our starting QB (or QB1 if you'd rather) but is injured. The backup (Pyne) starts in
his place. The starting role would not "simply be handed" back to Buchner...it's his spot when he is healthy because he is QB1 and he earned it by beating out Pyne and from all accounts it wasn't close.
I do have a problem with allowing the QB shit show that Pyne has been continue any longer than necessary if the QB1 is healthy and ready to go. Why endure the disaster any longer? Pyne has not earned anything with his performance thus far. If anything, he's lost the spot. It is an embarrassment that Pyne is the best we can put on the field at that position. It's a great credit to the team that they've been able to pull it together and win in spite of his play. It shouldn't go on any longer than necessary.
Drew Pyne is the backup, QB2 (and a poor one at that) playing because the starting QB1 is injured.
"Put a Riddell on somebody and be the most physical team in the country until the whistle blows."-
Level 6
You are so far off the mark here, it's pointless even trying to reason with you.
What Buchner did before the 22 season even started does not guarantee anything for the 23 season...if he can't beat Pyne out again then he isn't better anymore. Period.
"Leave No Doubt." -Marcus Freeman-
Level 7
No, I'm not. If your QB1 gets healthy and is a major upgrade, you play him. Shouldn't be a
controversial idea.
As for next year, I'm in favor of them competing. I expect Buchner to again win easily and I expect Angeli to pass Pyne by as well.
Pyne is a great kid but he is simply not physically capable of doing the job at anywhere close to the level necessary.
"Put a Riddell on somebody and be the most physical team in the country until the whistle blows."-
Level 8
"As for next year, I'm in favor of them competing." That's what I've been saying the whole damn time
If you have a guy who was the starter and has played a good number of games to where you know what you have, he gets knocked out for a few games and backup keeps ship afloat while he's out but there's no significant change in team performance, then former starter gets put back in when healthy.
That is not the situation we have...we didn't see Buchner play enough to know what we have and he was knocked out for the entire season. Team performance went from 0-2 with him, to 8-1 (with potential for 10-1) with his replacement. We have a new starter now, that is just a fact weather you like it or not. If Buchner wants the spot back now, he needs to 'compete' as you said your in favor of and beat him out...if the coaches just hand it back to him that would be a huge mistake. I'm sorry you can't comprehend this..
"Leave No Doubt." -Marcus Freeman
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Level 3
Thank you
We have very poor QBs but folks like to pretend there is some godsend waiting on the bench that’s going to make us so much better. It’s comical. Buchner has proven nothing and oddly his average yards per run are no better than Pyne’s.
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Level 4
I agree 100% that our QB's are poor, overall. But Buchner is far better. He is not so short so he
can see. His arm actually has some strength in it while Pyne's is very weak. Buchner is an outstanding runner while Pyne is a poor runner.
Even if we just had him hand the ball off instead of Pyne would make a difference in keeping the D honest because of his ability to run.
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Level 4
Amen. The level of delirium and excuses is mindboggling. I'm not even sure if the supporters watch
the same Notre Dame team and games.
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Level 5
Delirium is thinking Pyne is anything but a very poor FBS QB. Everyone sees it. It's obvious.
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Level 6
Delirium is constantly proclaiming Buchner like the second coming of John Elway
Yet in live action he has proven literally nothing.
It’s actually comical.
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Level 2
What he's proven to the coaches is enough for me. He's the starting QB. He should play if healthy.
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Level 2
Re: What a slap in the face for Pyne
And all season, people have been bashing Pyne. You can’t have it both ways.
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Level 2
Brilliant! Now defenses have to prepare for two QBs who can’t throw accurately!
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Level 2
Should Pyne be gifted the job because the starting qb got hurt?
Pyne was beaten out by Buchner. All Pyne has proven to excel at is the forward "handoff" and getting passes batted down at the line. Other than that, he is a rather ordinary qb. You don't win much with "ordinary."
I don't care who the better qb is. Freeman has to play the best one he has. If Pyne has to sit to figure that out, so be it. In fact, I'd like to see Buchner with this offense rather than the one he played with.
If you want to judge Buchner based on 1.5 games when one of them was a top 3 team in the country in his 1st start, then should we also judge Pyne for the Stanford debacle as the 2nd half versus Navy.
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Level 3
Correction. Pyne has excelled at leading the team to an 8-1 record. That's all. Hard to argue that.
lol. You claim a loss to a "top 3" is better than a win against #4. Let's not forget the other ranked teams we beat too. We'll just cherry pick Stanford and forget about Marshall at the same time. While we're at it anyway.
This literally couldn't be anymore funny.
I'd have more respect for you if you said, "I'm bias. I will not like Pyne no matter what he does and only like Buchner, regardless of what he does or if he never wins a game." Much more respectable than trying to throw out stupid stats that are actually damning to showing your subjective bias.
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Level 4
The next game that ND wins because Pyne is the QB will be the first
We aren't going to look at all the plays he can't/doesn't make because ND is 8-1 when he starts?
He is really good at handing it off and tossing those 2 feet "passes."
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Level 3
He's getting to live his dream these last 9 weeks and good for him. He shouldn't be a starter again
after this year.
"Put a Riddell on somebody and be the most physical team in the country until the whistle blows."
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Level 2
Why? Buchner is our starting QB. Why wouldn’t he play if healthy??
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Level 4
Last year he's a true freshman who hadn't played in years. He's our starting QB. He should play.
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Level 6
If he gets healthy and plays in the bowl game, a lot of Pyne-lovers will be eating crow.
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Level 7
Please tell me what Crow? He's 8-1 and they've scored 40+ points in 5 straight games. The first time
in 10 or 15 years.
Please kid me with what crow we should be eating? Call me when Buchner is greater than 8-1 with more than 5 straight weeks of 45 point wins.
Seriously, do you even think about the stuff you write? This isn't a joke. A very serious and straight forward question.
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Level 2
Not at all. Makes bowl opponent have to prepare for so much more.
BaronVonZemo64382 postsPyne and Buchner are close friends. Pyne is aware of Buchner's progress level as much as anyone. In general, a starter doesn't lose his spot just because of an injury, and Drew Pyne has done as well as he can, but he has hardly "lit things up". The coaches know exactly what each can and cannot do.
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Level 2
In all fairness to Pyne, he's had more of a chance to cement a starting job than Buchner.
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Level 3
In all fairness. Buchner looked bad and we lost. Pyne has looked bad at times and we still won. The
key difference is leadership and you see it in how the team gels and the offense has gotten better. You saw the exact same thing happen under Book and Rees.
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Level 4
Buchner's far better. That's why he is our starting QB and Pyne is the backup even though he's older
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Level 5
Pyne's play has the coaches to actively start looking for a transfer QB midseason. Enough said.
(no message)"Put a Riddell on somebody and be the most physical team in the country until the whistle blows."
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Level 3
Correct. And the result is ND looking for a transfer so they won't have to go with Pyne next year if
Buchner gets injured.
That is a clear indication of the coaches' assessment.
"Put a Riddell on somebody and be the most physical team in the country until the whistle blows."
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Level 2
Buchner did win the starting job, you think it's fair he loses it due to injury?
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Level 3
A slap in the face would be making Buchner pay the price for shitty Oline play....
NDavenue7489 postswhile allowing Pyne to cash in on it.
Buchner is QB1 until he gets beaten out in a head-to-head (or apples to apples) competition.
I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
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Level 2
Why? He didn't say anything about TB starting, he said he might be able to play.
It would be nice to have him available as a backup, or to run certain packages the way he did last year.
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Level 3
Packages? We need him throwing the ball too. We might not be able to run 75% of the time and win.
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Level 3
Exactly. Pyne has been adequate at best. If he has
a Stanfordesque or second half Navy performance I would pull him and give Buchner a shot.
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Level 5
There are two reasons why it made sense for Freeman to make that statement:
1/ Letting the opponent prepare for two different quarterbacks even if Buchner isn't going to play
2A/ The bowl game is a chance for Notre Dame to began assessing their QB situation for next year. Buchner hasn't had much game experience, and in the 2 games he played in this year, both the offensive line and receivers were in the very early stages of development, to put it mildly. If they can get a look at Buchner in a game situation with these much improved units, they might have a better idea as to what they have at QB going into the spring which may impact what they might consider with regard to bringing in a transfer.
2B/. As much as everyone is screaming for them to look to the transfer portal, I am not sure how feasible that option is. How many non graduate QB's are out there who would meet eligibility criteria at ND? Where have undergraduate transfers they have accepted come from? Northwestern, Stanford, Ivy League Schools? Do you think they are going to accept a transfer from some kid from the SEC??
How may graduate transfers in their last year of eligibility are out there who wouldn't want a guarantee that they could get somewhere else that they would start? If there is anyway that the coaching staff can get a better idea fo what they might have in Buchner, it would significantly impact how urgently they may feel they need to lure someone from the transfer portal and then navigate the process of getting them through admissions.-
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Amir Carlisle (USC) and Alohi Gilman (Navy)
NDavenue7489 postsThey have been few and far between though.
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Re: Amir Carlisle (USC) and Alohi Gilman (Navy)
I had forgotten Carlisle came from USC. I had thought he was at Stanford. But Gillman coming from a Service Academy also makes my point.
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Level 8
True about Navy. The key is to target Frosh or Sophs. 3rd year students are a no go.
NDavenue7489 postsThat's university policy for all students. Not just athletes. As it should be.
So, you are left with Grad transfers or relatively inexperienced players who are good students taking legit classes. Small window.
I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
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