Hartman not looking veryy impressive against Mizzou
Poor judgment - throwing into double coverage, moving poorly in the pocket, getting sacked
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Re: Hartman not looking veryy impressive against Mizzou
All the things I've mentioned about him after watching him 5 years, refuses to step up in the pocket but throws nice short-medium balls...still an improvement over Pyne -
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He's not an upgrade. Just has played more years. We should have rolled with Pyne if this path was
known. Much better options in the portal.-
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Re: He's not an upgrade. Just has played more years. We should have rolled with Pyne if this path was
Better options? Yes
Stick with Pyne? HEEEELL NO
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You realize Pyne left ND, not the other way around, right?
NDavenue 7489 posts(no message)I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.-
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Absolutely, very smart move. They weren't going to play him. He's the best QB ND had and if he plays
3 more years I fully expect his stats to look about like Hartman's but likely wins more games.-
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Re: Absolutely, very smart move. They weren't going to play him. He's the best QB ND had and if he plays
Is this a joke??? Pyne throwing 100+ TDs in College...He is mediocre and playing for ND made him slightly above mediocre just watch him over at ASU if he wins that job from the walk on Bourguet. -
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They weren't going to let him play? Now you're just making shit up.
NDavenue 7489 posts(no message)I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.-
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Good point.
NDavenue 7489 posts(no message)I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
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How many passes has he had batted down tonite ?
He would be light years better than Pyne over the course of a whole season.-
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The announcers were actually making fun of how short he was and couldn't see over the line at the
beginning of the game when he got blown up.-
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I don't think he will and if Hartman and Pyne are the same thing.....
Why would you not take the one with more experience ? Minchey looks like a Mahomes so next years QB is likely a one year role.-
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The biggest issue at ND is lack of consistancy and development of QBs. Going behind a guy that
proved he could win to get yet another average at best loaner, only creates more inconsistency. The only period ND has won in 25 years was when Book played 3 straight years.
*IF* they'd had any sort of talent around Quinn they probably would have won more but they didn't have talent or coaching then. Bouncing around 1 year QBs and underdeveloping them has been a disaster for ND.
Coming off of Book we had the opportunity to build a QB pipeline of consistency of 2 - 3 year starters and blew it. Now we're in the rent-a-QB market and we're taking the Corrola models. Twice, Coan and Hartman.
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Bullshit, this game very much on par with pyne. He's
showing nothing special. You are reaching-
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Bullshit to your Bullshit, this game showed Hartman read the D and spread ball around
something Pyne struggled with all season. Pyne did a lot of good things and I'm not shitting on him, but Hartman is: bigger, faster, sees the field better, throws the ball better and has a quicker release...it's not really close, he is an upgrade.
Hartman's pedestrian performance tonight (in terms of stats) is on par with Pyne's best...we had 4 common opponents with Wake this season (Clem, BC, UNC, Cuse) why don't you compare the stats between Hartman and Pyne in these 4 games and then get back to me.
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Pyne could have stayed. In my view he didnt play so well that he deserved to be handed the job.
Pyne wasn't awful. But apparently he didnt want to compete or he'd still be there.
Pyne was ok. I don't think he's championship caliber. And Hartman is a one year loaner.
If he's better than Pyne great. If not, we get a new starter in 24 either way. Maybe Buchner will develop, maybe Minchey. Maybe Carr comes in and wins it. Best of both worlds in my opinion.
And Hartman wont drive away Buchner, Minchey or Carr with 1 year of eligibility.
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^^^This
There's a bit of deflated buyer's remorse going around. Just carry the company line and it will be okay.
I don't think Rees knows how to handle a dynamic QB. His offense is too vanilla and not creative enough to really use a talented QB. This is more of a guy with an average arm that can move a tad but nothing that's needed to really compete at the top 5 level in CFB today.
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Last year was just sad. They did it with smoke.and mirrors.
Thank God the oline finally came together.
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He thought that he had free play-D jumped offsides-saw it as no risk. Gotta be fair. Crap Ol also.
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Who is the great one they could bring in?
I'd say Hartman is better than Book as a passer not as good of a runner. For a one year loaner. He's an upgrade and allows them to develop their recruits. And provides insurance against the disaster the QBs were last year, and injuries at the position. He doesn't dissuade Carr or Minchey from staying on board. Big picture.-
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Hartman is nowhere close to a better college player than Book. Not even close. Card was the best
option to take a flyer on IMO. If we were going the portal route. If he panned out there appeared to be upside. If not, well we, unfortunately, know what's left.-
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And then they'd likely lose Minchey or Carr next year, & maybe both.
Who are likely their best chances for a QB who can win a championship. Whereas I'd not put Card or anyone in the portal in that category.-
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At this point I'm hopeful Minchey is he's proclaimed to be. Hopefully he can push for PT just don't
expect much out of a FR QB, especially not at ND with their bland O and Rees calling the plays. We went from "right kind of guys" and a doghouse to "trust".-
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2024 is too far away is way I say that. The momentum Kelly built in the program is starting to wane.
If next year goes anywhere close to this year things will unravel quickly. So we can't wait for someone to maybe figure it out in 2024 at QB.-
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It's 1 year. But I think we had Freeman's frowing pains. Unproven QB's
A new defense. The WR's were depleted. The oline took several games to gel with the new oline coach. We'll be in a better situation next year. Continuity is important. Plus, Freeman's LB's should be ready. Watts will be a good S. The CBs look solid. I'm far more confident about next year. I'm a little worried about the pass rush. Losing Foskey and all.
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