The Student-Althete Model of Elite College Football is Dead...
Expect elite college football programs to decouple entirely from scholastics.
Coaches and players will be contract employees of corporations wholly owned by the universities.
That is going to be a huge decision point for ND and liked-mined institutions still committed to academic integrity.
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Don't be so down on the lads!
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If it goes that way College football will be dead in 5-10 years. Once it’s truly pay for play why watch them? They are not part of anyone’s Alma mater and become nothing more than a minor league for the NFL much in the way MLB and the NHL and the NBA D league……most won’t bother following the teams anymore. I know I won’t, and I much prefer college ball to the pros…..at least as it used to be.
"PRINCETON??? GRRRR Get my glove!" - Yale Alum "Sideshow Bob Roberts"
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It's interesting to me that the real players in this are largely state-sponsored universities.
Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Oregon, Michigan, Ohio State, etc. At least SC is private & likewise ND.
Anyway, how is it that an entity that is a state-chartered tax-exempt organization whose primary purpose is to provide education to the citizens of that state is somehow able to own a professional sports team? There's probably something there legally at a charter, tax-exemption, and Federal tax-exemption level (i.e., unrelated business income tax).
But when a hired gun like Riley Leonard is making $1.2M and Jeremiyah Love is making not $1.2 million, the inequity of the whole thing will eventually force the issue.
Wonder about the O Lineman that says: "I just may miss a couple crucial blocks if you don't buy me..
...the car I want", etc....as the money gets more and more out of whack...
I would think that’s why RL is sharing his with the O line. Splat!
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Had heard that. Almost seems a necessity...
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Good points by Lance & Take. Players can hold-out any game week for any reason...
Expect formal contracts between the players and the teams with mutual obligation clauses soon.
The thing is, in sports if a player decides to take a dive on the field, nobody can stop him.
Also, soon players will get 2 - 3 initial games on video, then bail out to "prepare for the draft"
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SMU back in the early 80's was way ahead of its time!
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Not so sure
This is nothing new, only the payments are more transparent now....no more SEC bag men. And the amount of money involved is significantly higher.
Agree that ND has a monumental decision to make. Do we want to compete in this new world? We certainly have the resources to draw on.
Jim Tressel getting fired for players receiving tattoos seems so quaint about now.
Yes, it all feels dirty.
Been saying it all along...ND will have to move to a "competitive" league that fosters academics...
...or lose its soul...
Agree, been saying the same thing. Fans will still follow their teams.
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Stop that nonsense. We can play the game. We are scheduled to do so,
Plus all these schools the first time you step on campus is a football game.
Heck, without football weekends mo one is going to visit these campuses.
Football & athletics is the front porch of the universities in America…I don’t make the rules I just live by them
They didn’t build all those shyboxes and such tip join the Ivy League, imho
Just my 2 cents, as always I could be wrong
Not good to do that. We can always keep our academic standards high and still play the "game" the
way it is played anyway. If we don't, we will become more woke than ever.
ND proved their halfway in with NIL and transfers
now they have to get urban to coach
they already passed on Pitino to coach unlike two Catholic schools.
The two biggest opposite spectrum misbeliefs that Notre Dame fans have..
1. It's OK to hire a guy with no prior HC experience at ND, as long as they are a great recruiter
2. We have to hire proven already big time NC winning HCs like Saban, Stoops, Urban, etc...
For number 1 the success numbers are so inverse when we hire experienced vs inexperienced, I can't believe this is still a thing that even earns discussion.
For number 2, literally the polar opposite of number 1...we have NEVER done this. No HC we've hired came in with a D1/FBS Natty already under their belt. The closest one we ever hired to being that Big Name sure thing was Frank Leahy who had a grant total of 2 years HC experience at Boston College.
Just hire solid, experienced HCs who are good recruiters and give them 3-5 years and repeat. This is the format we used to be the (then) program with the most consensus NCs from the most different HCs.
The sooner we return to our success model the sooner we can add #12.
Urban Meyer will never come here, and ND will never offer it again
Coaches the likes of Meyer, Nick Saban, etc., were all given total control over the football program, down to every last detail, and the university will essentially be hands-off.
The Board of Trustees at the University of Notre Dame will *never* cede that kind power to anyone.
While someone the likes of Saban proved that he can build a program, elevate it to greatness, and maintain that standard for a long time without getting into serious trouble, there's always the big fly in the ointment.
Urban Meyer is no Nick Saban. He's dirty, sleazy, and a snake oil salesman all wrapped into one, and like his previous two stops, would end up getting the program in serious trouble.
Unlike the other schools that vigorously fight those charges, we'd roll over and willingly take the gang beating that would come as a result.
Ugh...Urban is "a bridge too far" for ND as, most certainly, is Pitino. If you really think that
...either of those guys will be pursued by ND at this juncture...you REALLY don't "get" the school at all...
I get that the school won't, they would like to skip nil, the portal too
my point is why go half way
you're all in or not
They're going half way given all the resources that they've sunk into football. They are trying to
realize a significant return for as long as they can.
At some point, I strongly believe, they will have to pivot...and they know it.
agreed
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I'd much prefer that to totally selling out.
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That's it! We're Ivy bound!
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"Ivy-adjacent". More competitive (but similar).
Not competitive enough to challenge the true fully "minor league" pro outfits at the top...
Who the hell cares if we are on the top of "ivy-adjacent" when the nation will only care about the
major players. We have to stay with the "big time" programs and we can do this and still keep academic honesty. I guarantee that the hugest reason most kids apply to ND is because they love the camaraderie that football brings and the way the football players are mingled with the regular students. Does the nation give a shit about Georgetown's academic standards, they only know they don't play quality football if they play it at all. The only time you here from Georgetown is when their basketball team performs well.
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How do you know "that the hugest reason most kids apply to ND is because they love ... the way the football players are mingled with the regular students." If only. My guess is that the better compensated players already have off-campus digs to which they can retreat as needed, for example.
OK. ND will be the pioneers of the new Ivy Adjacent League. Buy your tickets now!
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Just wait. It will be like the late 50’ early 60’s in South Bend, 15$ of groceries got you four
free ND tickets.
Except that $15 in groceries from 1957...costs $170.62 in 2024...
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Didn't say I liked it. But don't believe ND can continue to keep going where College Football is...
...very haphazardly heading..
No one is concerned about the best interests of College Football...so it's just evolving on its own in a way that is certainly not healthy from an educational perspective...and I think may also ultimately fail from a revenue perspective.
Time will tell...but ND is facing some serious decisions...
I'm just messin' wicha, Knute. It's an absurd situation. All you can do is laugh at it.
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Naw, I hear you. They've taken what was one of my favorite diversions...and are totally screwing
...the pooch...
I agree. College football is the greatest sport ever created, but they are ruining it fast.
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It all started paying HC's outlandish amounts of $$$....
...just a bunch of knucklehead phys. ed. majors (that even if they earned the degree), being paid millions. Gotta love the USA....!!