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Thoughts on practice and if it matters ....

IrishFan82 133 posts Joined:
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Disclosure: I have never been to a ND football practice. I have a child that is a D1 collegiate athlete (not football). I am only adding the part about my child to say that I know the amount of work it takes to be a student athlete and what goes into practicing and how that can translate to a game.

I have no doubts that practice "stats" are much better than game stats. I have no doubts that RL looks good throwing the ball in practice. RL performed very well at the Manning stuff this past summer.

I do agree that evaluation starts at practice and if you practice poorly you will probably not play much. Practice is the first place to show your coaches that you deserve to start at your position. However, practice speed and game speed are different. You can't lose practice but you can lose a game. Eighty thousand fans aren't watching practice. The QB isn't wearing a red jersey in a game.

To play a player continually in a game situation where that player obviously struggles to do the things that he did in practice well, is insane. RL is a tremendous runner as a QB. Above average. Great stats. I get it. Navy can rush for 300 yards a game but it doesn't make them a contender.

Being the best guy on the practice field means nothing if you can't do it in a game! When these kids are being recruited and they consistently play poorly on Friday nights coaches aren't asking the question "Yeah, but is he the best at practice?". Come on guys. This "have you seen practice" crap is old. We have seen games.

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    MF needs to read this...

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    Very well stated

    There was a time in the early 90's where offensive linemen Mike McGlinn and Winston Sandri were kicking serious butt in practice, but when it came to gametime playing, both were basically spot starters when injuries popped up among the regular starters. They simply weren't as good as the other starting linemen. Both Lou Holtz and Joe Moore knew his, which is why the offensive line starting lineups during those times were remarkably stable (barring injuries).

    Also, in 1991, all of the linemen would tell you that Reggie Brooks was absolutely destroying everyone in practice, and that he was easily the best back on the roster (despite the fact he had been a cornerback for his first two years), but since his older brother (Tony Brooks) and Rodney Culver were already established, had to wait his turn. He did get one start, though, when both Culver and the older Brooks were banged up one week, and turned in a very nice 100+ yard performance on just a few carries.

    That being said...

    Lou Holtz would give sometimes give practice standouts a shot, with the understanding that there were guys in front of them who were better, and that they could be yanked at any time. He wouldn't die on a hill with them, though.

    He did this to Todd Norman in 1993, where McGlinn was given the start against Pitt (and did decently), to motivate Norman to have better practices. He did put Norman back in for the second half, and it certainly worked.

    The opposite of this was Bob Davie, where he'd stick with the practice standouts, even when they basically lost the game for us. The worst case of this was when he stuck with Jim Sanson as the placekicker, simply because he was the best in practice. Sanson's shanks made the difference in several of the games during the Davie tenure... He had better kickers on the bench, but refused to give them a shot. During the pressers, he'd say that Jim Sanson was easily the best in practice and that it wasn't even close.

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    Everyone hits the ball well on the driving range.

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    So, they should play who the fans think? They put Angeli in and lose to Louisville, the same fans

    will bitch that it should have been Minchey or Carr and the coaches are stupid. We don't know how close the coaches were to making a qb change in the Miami, Ohio game. If they put Angeli in the NI game and he threw the interception, they would say, they should have run the ball with Leonard because it was working.

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    ^^^^^^this. Woa

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