Not knocking the kid, but does anyone believe Angeli has NC winning potential?
Wouldn't you rather roll the dice on someone more dynamic, like Minchey even if it risks a few more losses than the safe choice? The goal is to win a NC. And I'm trying (and failing) to envision a scenario where ND could beat Bama/Milroe with Angeli as our QB.
Replies to: Not knocking the kid, but does anyone believe Angeli has NC winning potential?
He is solid but the rest of the team would have to perform better than the rest of those other
team's players IMO.
He has just as much as any QB on this roster right now
ND is not winning a NC with their OL and DL in the hospital. The chances for all of them is zero right now.
What have you seen from Minchey that makes you think he's better than Angeli?
Angeli has done some really good things when given the reins. He was terrific in the Sun Bowl.....I get that the opponent was terrible, but I do not believe Riley Leonard could have accomplished the same results in a 1-1 setting.
I just see more raw potential especially with mobility.
As I was thinking about this, something kind of interesting when thinking about Leonard verse Angeli. I think Angeli beats NIU, but loses against A&M and Louisville.
But it's all speculation based on very small sample size.
He's the backup to the backup
Since the backup is always better when the team isn't playing the way fans think they should, the backup to the backup must be twice as good as the backup. It's all there if you follow fan logic. Even more understandable is wanting to just put Carr in now and "play for the future," that makes him at least three times better than Leonard, maybe four even, I have to check the math again and see if it is exponential or not. I'll get back to you.
Angeli was QB 1 all Spring, certainly did not impress.
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You are too dense to speak on this subject. Lots
of $ in play in that decision
3 gen Monogram fam, might hear a thing or two.
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That is cool. Which sport or sports ?
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Which sport did you play? Pretty impressive to have that many good athletes at that level!
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Ned?
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Don't know who this guy is but he ain't Ned!
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Football?
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2 football, 1 soccer
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Don't forget baseball, track- just to keep in shape or the golfer cousin.
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Hard to tell until meaningful playing time
He performed well against a weakened OSU but that was an exhibition game.
Until we see him perform as THE starting qb in a game that counts, the jury will be out re: his full potential.
100%. Angeli is good enough against most teams on this years schedule
But against the top 15ish teams u need that skilll set of agility a scramble etc.
Yes, but let’s be practical, Carr is the real deal
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Behind the right offensive line, yes.
Behind our current OL, not a chance.
Agreed. He'd be sacked on a regular basis.
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Complete conjecture
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Not really..
We haven't seen enough from Angeli to make any concrete conclusions, positive or negative.
But if we're going to make a current assessment of him based on things we've seen, not just based on dislike for the current starter then there are some pretty clear cut things we can say.
1. While he doesn't have a cannon for an arm, he has enough arm to make all the throws, he has touch and accuracy on deep balls and and short to intermediate passes.
2. He's a gamer who seems to find success even on what appear to be sloppy/broken plays and guys seem to want to play for him.
3. While not a dynamic runner, he actually has good mobility and running ability, while not enough to scare defenses it is enough to make them pay if they ignore his legs.
4. His field vision and ability to go through progressions seems good when he has time and protection in the pocket but appears to fall off rapidly when pressured, leading to some first read/bad decision type 'forced' throws.
5. He doesn't navigate the pocket real well when protection breaks down, this along with poor pocket movement decisions (not a lack of mobility) and holding the ball too long leads him into unneeded sack opportunities.
6. He's sometimes a little sloppy with his ball security when trying to make a play.
Let's be honest about this. Angelli has solid tools but not game changing skills. If he did, he'd be
starting for ND. He's a solid and reasonably reliable back up QB and I believe he knows and understands his role. In his defense, I think MF could use him EACH game in a different fashion just to give RL a breather and to put opposing defenses one more thing to think about. Great kid but will never be a starter for MOST D1 teams.
Completely disagree with this assessment
All Angeli has ever done almost every time is perform at an extremely high level.
It's the brain and brawn at QB, so much to process and retain.
He seems to have a really good grasp from what Ive seen. And he throws a nice ball. Depends next year on who puts it all together. They all have a lot of potential. Jeff George had all the physical skills, but wasn't great at QBing. Then you look at Purdy with the 9ers. He's pretty darn good lacking some of that.
I think he's shows potential. Not Matt Stafford arm potential, but he's got a good feel for the game.
Jeff George's worst enemy was himself but man he could throw, accurately and with arm strength.
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No! A Jersey Boy and a good kid but an average college QB...
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Have spent time with family members on game days. Dyed in the wool Ital Catholics!
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How can anyone really judge with the lack of game time.
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I'd think best player plays to some extent, but potential has to factor into it.
Angeli is accurate, can run some. Strong enough arm. Minchey brings the run threat, but doesnt seem as accurate. Carr looks like the most potential to me arm talent wise and accuracy. Havent seen him run but they say he can, but probably not as well as Minchey. He's possibly the best passer, but Id imagine still learning the O. That is, all from the limited amount we've got to see.
I'd personally be fine with any of them. Angeli has talent. Seems to be a winner. It'll be a real spring ball battle I'd imagine. It's going to depend a lot on how they progress Id think. Probably matters a bit on how porous or not the O line is too.
Right now I'd put my money on Carr, but I think it's close.
Angeli could win behind a great OL with dynamic playmakers around him.
Like whatever that kids name was at Georgia. But I don't see us recruiting WRs like that and the OL is a rebuild.
Agree, with good,not even great supporting cast
he could do it
If I was to guess, I'd day we have a substantially better Oline next year.
Will Black is coming iin. We'll get our injured guys back. And we'll have experience across the line, unlike this year, and a year in the weight program for the freshman.
I think the problem with WR's this year is time to throw, not their abilities to get open. And I'm sure we lose our transfers next year. But Im sure they'll bring in some.
And we'll have Greathouse and Faison back. Cam Williams, KK Smith, Micah Gillbert, Logan Soldate, and the 3 freshmen.
A lot of potential, but also projection.
What do we got to lose? Play him. Give him quality minutes. This "O" needs a kick in the rear.
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My fault, I thought he was talking about 2025.
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I was.
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