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Kelly vs Freeman, The Death Valley News….

Author: whatsamataU (25140 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:37 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Link: https://deathvalleyvoice.com/the-brian-kelly-versus-marcus-freeman-debate-is-a-highly-flawed-topic?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email&sc=1d6fbca021f8380e14d5b04ba99deac49bfe823f91ccf1c6b27702f04dd034b6

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Thread Level: 2

Cepting for the fact that Jelly tits had an NFL starter, HT winner for 2 years. Also the dumbass

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:24 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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claimed he was handicapped in recruiting at ND yet has the same type record at LSU.

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Handicapped---BY HIM not getting out there to close a few deals.

Author: faircatchcorby (9808 Posts - Joined: Jan 26, 2011)

Posted at 8:44 am on Nov 21, 2024
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Author forgets that MF was/is a rookie head coach while Kelly is very seasoned. SMH.

Author: IrishFan82 (128 Posts - Joined: Nov 23, 2022)

Posted at 6:25 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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The ending is pretty accurate. Their results are not all that different, even in recruiting at ND.

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 4:47 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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Additionally, neither can manage a QB (at ND). BK is what he is. MF has a lot more likeableness but BK is more direct with his actions. MF could turn out to be good or continue to put out a more friendly version of BK results. BK was stubborn and had an ego. That is/was what held him back. MF doesn't always seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed. That has held him back, though he is very likeable and upbeat.

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ND fans acting like jilted lovers. BK is not giving us any second thoughts.

Author: ELP (9578 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 9:52 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Why waste so much energy on him? I know I am alone on this but, I'd much rather focus on Army, SC, MF, our coordinators, our issues, how ND will fit into the playoffs, next years schedule, planning for those tailgates, discussing the 2025 QB situation, the fake punt penalty, the UVA dropped pass non call, the ACC officials and I use that term loosely, Irish in the NFL, selfishly keeping Coach Golden in South Bend. That should be enough to keep us busy for awhile. Just as we celebrate the misfortunes of one of our formers, it will come back and bite us in the ass in a bad way. Wait for it.

Thread Level: 3

Agree for the most part…

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:47 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Kelly is a non-factor when it comes to ND now. He’s gone, we have a coach that has bought into the ND culture.

We're all born bald baby!
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It makes us look stupid for hiring him. We are blessed to have him gone.

Author: Hensou (8163 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:15 am on Nov 20, 2024
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No, the hire was fine at that time…

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33496 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:18 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Keeping his act around for 12 years was stupid.

I am glad he’s gone…


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Thread Level: 5

Agreed on all points. He served a purpose

Author: Jerseymick (5137 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:40 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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Not to be bunny, but you are splitting hares.

Author: Hensou (8163 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:38 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Lots of people didn't like the hire. We knew he was a mercenary.

Too bad he didn't leave sooner.


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He couldn't leave because his coaching was so mediocre he couldn't get another job.

Author: jonpaultoo (202 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:49 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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Author: Hensou (8163 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 11:29 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Author: Hensou (8163 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 11:28 am on Nov 20, 2024
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There were certainly some who disliked it… but he was an experienced HC who had success at every…

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33496 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:17 am on Nov 20, 2024
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…level…and he got ND to an undefeated regular season and NC by his third year. He was a good hire to help rectify the damage of the three stooges who preceded him


His third year also revealed him (big game collapse) and phony (interviewing with NFL while preparing for NC). He should have been gone after 5 or 6 tops. (Certainly after 2016.)

Swarbrick f’d that up. He decided to ride him into the dirt.


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Agree that after 2016 he should have been gone, but the reboot was effective

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:35 am on Nov 20, 2024
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We're all born bald baby!
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It was…but it was forced upon him.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33496 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:15 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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If he was able he would have bolted much sooner than he did.

ND should have controlled that situation given all the signs he’d telegraphed…not him.


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For sure.

Author: ndunabomber (6474 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:56 am on Nov 21, 2024
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Van Gorder and Longo should have been given the axe after 2014, and I'd even argue that Longo should have been gone before that.

Kelly wouldn't do that, though, since those were two of his good buddies.


Thread Level: 8

Agree about ‘16. Future success was on Elko and Lee

Author: BaronVonZemo (59933 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 12:01 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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A mercenary that stayed for 12 years? Hmmmm.

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:48 am on Nov 20, 2024
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We're all born bald baby!
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The money was good. He had no better offer. He was never an ND guy.

Author: Hensou (8163 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 11:33 am on Nov 20, 2024
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It looked good on his Resume!

Author: whatsamataU (25140 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:51 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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Thread Level: 8

Agree that he wasn’t an ND guy, but T3k’s points are valid

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:36 am on Nov 20, 2024
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We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 9

Seems contradictory. But to each his own opinion!

Author: Hensou (8163 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 12:12 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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100%

Author: Chrisb (16401 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:36 am on Nov 20, 2024
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